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BeachBum
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Watch/warning width [Re: clyde w.]
      #26904 - Mon Sep 13 2004 11:47 PM

Quote:

Thought that was a large stretch of coastline under a Hurricane Watch. It's clear that the NHC forecast continues to be a below average confidence one--as they are allowing for a more western route while warning the folks all the way to the Panhandle.




Even if this latest track is dead on, the area for a hurricane watch should be quite large. See the winds at:
http://www.boatus.com/hurricanes/hurricane_bands2.asp

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BillD
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Re: Storm Surge and Waves [Re: Unregistered User]
      #26905 - Mon Sep 13 2004 11:47 PM

Nope, recon has been out there for the last couple of hours, that is where those center fixes came from (another one came in just a little while ago). Not sure why no vortex message yet, but they might not have been out there long enough.

Bill


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jth off
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Re: Repost on new ETA [Re: USFTampa]
      #26906 - Mon Sep 13 2004 11:50 PM

No..What you see out there now is deceiving though. The trough that was pulling Ivan a little more north earlier has weakened and started to pull out. That is allowing the NW motion to resume. That should continue until Ivan gets fairly close to the coast with a turn N then maybne NNE at the very end. The models are really starting to come to an agreement.

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Updated maps - NHC Advisory 47 [Re: MikeC]
      #26908 - Mon Sep 13 2004 11:51 PM

Do not focus on the point of landfall, errors on the future track may be large. All areas in the Hurricane Watch need to prepare.

Latest landfall forecast map:


Full size image at www.skeetobite.com/weather


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meto
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Re: Storm Surge and Waves [Re: BillD]
      #26909 - Mon Sep 13 2004 11:52 PM

85.1 is east of the 11:00 85.4

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meto
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Re: Repost on new ETA [Re: jth off]
      #26910 - Mon Sep 13 2004 11:54 PM

it is not moving nw its going mainly north.

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Steve
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Re: Repost on new ETA [Re: meto]
      #26911 - Mon Sep 13 2004 11:56 PM

Not going northwest? East of last fix? Look at the vis-ir loop and explain the movements. Seriously, don't watch a color-enhanced IR that spins cloudtops. Look at the real deal

The Real Deal [tm]

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Edited by Steve (Mon Sep 13 2004 11:56 PM)


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wxman007
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OOZ GFS... [Re: meto]
      #26912 - Mon Sep 13 2004 11:56 PM

Landfall in less than 60 hrs (???) over Pensacola....

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danielwAdministrator
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Re: Recon [Re: meto]
      #26913 - Mon Sep 13 2004 11:58 PM

Recon is at the storm. For some strange reason they flew down the west side and back north.
URNT11 KNHC 140324 ( 11:24pm edt)
97779 03244 30219 8560/ 30600 36097 1515/ /3619
RMK AF963 3209A Ivan OB 07
RADAR EYE FIX 21.9N 85.2W, GOOD RADAR PRESENTATION, NAV ACCURACY
0.1NM.


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Re: Repost on new ETA [Re: meto]
      #26914 - Tue Sep 14 2004 12:01 AM

Check out this link and then tell me its not moving NW.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/float-ir4-loop.html


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Re: OOZ GFS... [Re: wxman007]
      #26915 - Tue Sep 14 2004 12:02 AM

JK you have a very good point. Folks, if you live near the beach, bays or water, in the Hurricane Watch area, check your evacuation level.
Bay County FL, has been mentioned on TWC. 11ft waves an hour ago at the East Gulf buoy. Could be some real high waves way before Ivan gets near.


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Re: OOZ GFS... [Re: wxman007]
      #26916 - Tue Sep 14 2004 12:03 AM

JK where did the GFS have the track???

That seems fairly reasonable to me. I don't think the track is going to change much anymore.


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meto
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Re: Repost on new ETA [Re: jth off]
      #26917 - Tue Sep 14 2004 12:04 AM

then why is recon saying 85.2

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Re: OOZ GFS... [Re: danielw]
      #26918 - Tue Sep 14 2004 12:05 AM

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/gmex-wv-loop.html

From when this starts to when it stops it looks like a more westerly component has been added. Maybe it just looks that way because it's a WV.


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Re: OOZ GFS... [Re: danielw]
      #26919 - Tue Sep 14 2004 12:06 AM

Thats true. Our local guy just showed a graphic of the ocean waves coming from Ivan. The outer bands alone are causing 15 foot waves. Kinda disconcerting because the bands look awfully close to the Keys now.

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MrSpock
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Re: OOZ GFS... [Re: jth off]
      #26920 - Tue Sep 14 2004 12:07 AM

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/

models on here seem to update as fast as any site.


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scottsvb
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Re: Repost on new ETA [Re: jth off]
      #26921 - Tue Sep 14 2004 12:07 AM

Correct Jason,,looks like most of the models have gone alittle to the east by 40-80 miles ( matters what models we look at). I would think that position for the NHC might shift alittle east at the 5am adv. Also a side note.....interesting GFS thru 84 hours on Jeanne.

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wxman007
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Re: OOZ GFS...Upon Further Inspection... [Re: jth off]
      #26922 - Tue Sep 14 2004 12:08 AM

Landfall at 54 hrs over Pensacola....seems a bit fast to me...so I am not sold that the GFS is a good run....gonna have to inspect it further....

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Re: Recon Eye Fix [Re: meto]
      #26923 - Tue Sep 14 2004 12:12 AM

Recon is at the storm. The radar eye fix is the Present center of the storm at the time of their observation. The storm is moving slowly so the numbers change every few minutes.
The Recon Eye Fix is accurate to 0.1nm, per the observation, which is as close as you can get.


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Re: Repost on new ETA [Re: scottsvb]
      #26924 - Tue Sep 14 2004 12:12 AM

Seems like the shift east would put them more in line with the current NHC forecast since it was east of the model consensus. Is my logic correct?

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