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mikeG
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Re: 96L [Re: NONAME]
      #47790 - Fri Aug 12 2005 05:06 PM

clearly see low level rotation with 96l on sats....she is a little low in lat., but looks like will miss alot of dry air....will be near islands in two days....this one could be the first of many to come...

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MapMaster
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Re: Eye [Re: mikeG]
      #47791 - Fri Aug 12 2005 05:15 PM

BTW...it is 80x60 miles, aligned east west (major axis).



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Re: Eye [Re: MapMaster]
      #47792 - Fri Aug 12 2005 05:38 PM

Quote:

Charley made landfall on the southwest coast of Florida near Cayo Costa, just north of Captiva, around 1945 UTC 13 August with maximum sustained winds near 130 kt.




I'm pretty sure Charley made landfall on Friday the 13th --- meaning tomorrow is one year, right? (As today is the 12th.) I remember getting the day off work as I work in a school and we were a hurricane shelter.....

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MapMasterNLI
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Re: Eye [Re: yecatsjg]
      #47793 - Fri Aug 12 2005 06:35 PM

That is correct.

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mikeG
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Re: Eye [Re: MapMasterNLI]
      #47794 - Fri Aug 12 2005 06:36 PM

i am confused, most of missed something

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/tafb_latest/danger_atl_latestBW.gif

that can't be 96l, or is it?


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Re: Eye [Re: mikeG]
      #47795 - Fri Aug 12 2005 06:46 PM

Yes, that is the new AL invest.

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Re: Recon [Re: Ryan]
      #47796 - Fri Aug 12 2005 06:49 PM

Ryan, if you are in the cone, you should always watch the storm. Remember, even if the storm stays offshore, some of its impacts may be felt onshore or along shore.

As for the tropical cyclone development...that should be 96L, but it's too far north. Right wave, wrong area. 96L looks to be one for the central-northern Lesser Antilles, if anywhere along the chain, but is still probably 12-24hr from being classified.

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mikeG
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Re: Recon [Re: Clark]
      #47797 - Fri Aug 12 2005 06:55 PM

thought it was a little high in atl, but then looking at first runs, i see were it came from...models are split.

here's a look at irene before the sunn goes down

rgb irene noticed the storms on south side


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Re: Recon [Re: mikeG]
      #47799 - Fri Aug 12 2005 07:15 PM

Well, Irene probably a hurricane by 11pm or most certainly by morning don't you think? Looking improved in the last couple hours. Wondering why we can still see some of the LL circ a little exposed on the east side, and clouds from the convection have been sweeping to the west all day, if shear is low?

Invest 96L also moving along quickly, much different than 24hrs ago. If this one goes west then next week could be interesting.


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Irene & to-be-TD 10 [Re: Clark]
      #47802 - Fri Aug 12 2005 07:54 PM

Update coming shortly on the main page (blog) with regards to the future courses and intensities of Irene and soon-to-be TD 10. I was going to try summarizing things for brevity here, but instead, here's the full version...

Irene is undergoing a little bit of easterly wind shear right now, but not a lot. The low-level center is near the deepest convection on the eastern side of the system, suggesting that it is much more vertically coherent than before. The effects of the dry environment are still present, but lessening with time. Unfortunately, we do not have a recent microwave imager pass to give us additional data since the last recon fix about 2-3hr ago, but the overall visible and infrared satellite imagery suggests the storm is getting better organized and will likely become a hurricane in the next 6-12hr. This storm may try to peak in intensity similar to Jeanne -- it does have a similar appearance on satellite imagery, for what little that is worth -- but I still feel that cat 1/2 intensity is a more likely bet.

Path? That's the million dollar question of the evening. Satellite-derived products hint at a weakness still in the ridge near where Irene is right now, but the main shortwave trough creating this weakness is about to pass the storm on by. Steering currents get pretty weak from here, as the main band of westerly flow has moved back to the north over the course of the day. An upper-low to the southwest of the storm likely interacted with it for a period of time earlier today, resulting in a temporary movement back towards the west-northwest. Overall, however, a general 300-315deg motion is what we've seen for the past day or two. There are signs of the ridge trying to build in a bit to the north of the storm, but whatever is going on there right now is relatively weak at this time.

Given all of this, a slow deceleration of the storm as it moves northwest is likely over the next 2-3 days. It should slow to nearly stationary sometime this weekend, but I do not believe that it will occur near 70W, as the 5pm NHC package advertises. More likely, the storm will draw a bit closer to shore -- perhaps close to 72 or 73W -- before slowing down. The upper-low that has been in the Gulf is showing signs of lifting northward; as it does, in conjunction with a digging trough in the west with a shortwave moving through Idaho at this time, the flow should amplify to some degree in the east...likely with a narrow trough along the east coast and ridging further out to sea. No scenario is certain at this point in time by any means, but the threat south of Charleston is over and decreasing to the north of there. I believe the storm will remain offshore, perhaps brushing the coastline from 200-300 miles away, and ultimately move out to sea in the westerly flow. Given the strength of the westerly flow, I don't currently put much stock in the NOGAPS solution of it slowing and cutting off north of Bermuda in 5-6 days.

Nevertheless, everyone from Charleston northward should continue to watch this storm, as any prolonged movement to the west increases the threat to the coast. This may prove to be a close call -- with an amplifying flow pattern to potentially thank for that -- and the track is subject to change.

Invest 96L continues to become better organized, with well-defined mid-level banding features apparent on infrared satellite imagery over the past two hours. The mid- & low-level centers appear to be congealing near 13N/42.5W and I expect a tropical depression to form here within the next 12-18hr. Intensification should be modest through the forecast period as the storm moves in a general west-northwest fashion. I believe we will likely have T.S. Jose by the end of the weekend, with only some dry air and modest shear being the inhibiting factors through Monday. This is the feature the FSU MM5 and, to a lesser degree, some of the globals (GFS & UKMET) picked up on for development over the past 4-5 days.

Unless it almost immediately begins to turn northwest and north, this developing system should continue on a general westward path. A trough is just north of the system right now, likely amplified a bit by the ridge that has been building near Irene over the past few days, but is rather weak and does not appear as a strong entity in any of the satellite-derived wind products. If it does not get captured by this, the storm should continue on a west to west-northwestward path, bringing it to near the central Lesser Antilles near the start of the week. Where it goes from there depends upon how the ridge builds in once Irene heads on out to sea...the greater the weakness left, the more likely that this system gets pulled northward across some of the Greater Antilles. Model guidance is split on solutions in the short-term with this one, but given the trends of the storm so far and climatology, slow intensification and a general west-northwestward motion is the call for now.

We'll watch the wave just off of the coast of Africa for development over the weekend as well. It's a vertically deep system already, but is rather far to the north. Given this, unless it reforms further south, it would likely be a fish spinner...moreso the faster it develops. It needs some time to get its act together before becoming a threat to do any development, but is in a favorable environment to do so. Possibly invest 97L sometime over the weekend, maybe more later on. Not much model support -- there's more for the next wave in the series -- but worth watching nonetheless. Models are calling for ridging to take over most of the basin by 5-6 days out, suggesting that things are likely to get cranking by then...if not sooner.

East Pacific is still cranking, with Fernanda still going strong -- albeit not for much longer; the deep convection is already starting to fade away on the western side of the circulation and visible satellite imagery suggests that the low-level stratocu field of the cooler waters of the Pacific may be impacting the surface circulation. The satellite representation remains very good, but I've got a feeling the strongest winds aren't making it down to the surface anymore. Expect the intensity to start falling at a good clip over the next few days. As it weakens, the overall environment for Greg should become a bit more favorable; slow intensification is likely with this one. They'll both keep heading west, likely to kick up some surf for Hawaii down the line (but nothing more at this time). The feature just off of the Mexican coast also is a candidate for development as it moves parallel to coast; would not be surprised to see it perk up into an invest/depression this weekend as well.

Prime time is beginning, as advertised. Stay tuned, as this may just be the tip of the iceberg.

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Re: Irene & to-be-TD 10 [Re: Clark]
      #47804 - Fri Aug 12 2005 08:06 PM

Clark:

Nice post you give high lights that count, as we use to say in the Navy, well done.

Dave


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Frank P
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Re: Eye [Re: mikeG]
      #47805 - Fri Aug 12 2005 08:32 PM

I think that invest is to high... here is a cool sat loop, notice the wave in the caribbean moving to the west... also see Irene, doesn't look like she's moving that much, looks to be to the NNW perhaps... hard to tell on this loop...

http://www.atmos.washington.edu/~ovens/loops/wxloop.cgi?wv_east_enhanced+12


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Re: Irene Moving Northwest and Will Likely Head Out to Sea [Re: MikeC]
      #47806 - Fri Aug 12 2005 08:36 PM

Nicely done, Clark. As usual, written in a way us regular people can understand. Lots to follow out there.
Know it is a long way off and no way to tell but is there anyway 96L could make it into the Gulf eventually?

if there's "no way to tell" why would you ask?

Edited by LI Phil (Fri Aug 12 2005 08:51 PM)


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Re: Irene Moving Northwest and Will Likely Head Out to Sea [Re: Beaumont, TX]
      #47807 - Fri Aug 12 2005 08:41 PM

Yeah Clark does a great job on his analysis, a real assest to this post... I also think HF and Scott provide some pretty good analysis as well, and of course Jason, who has not been see much of late... but is always around for those GOM events... also cudos to everyone who has contributed to some excellent post the past two days and how well everyone has been treated lately... hats off to all the mods too for regaining control of the board...

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Irene stalled? [Re: Frank P]
      #47809 - Fri Aug 12 2005 09:24 PM

Looking at this sat loop presentation Irene doesn't appear to be moving much at all ... looks like the northern quadrant is getting smashed by the high pressure ridge to the NW and N... its flattened out somewhat on its northern side... could be just a temporary thing who the heck knows... notice the nice rotation on the wave in the central atlantic, could be on the way to our next TD tomorrow if this organization continues...

http://www.atmos.washington.edu/~ovens/loops/wxloop.cgi?ir_east+12


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quick reminder [Re: Frank P]
      #47810 - Fri Aug 12 2005 09:35 PM

rather than PMing everybody individually (esp. when more than half the posts of this type are posted by unregs), i'm just going to comment in general that the one-line posts frequent above aren't appropriate for the main board. if you're going to say something, add at least a couple of thoughts... don't just say 'its going nw now' or 'looks like its getting stronger' or 'i agree with you'.
i hate deleting stuff people post, 'cause it represents wasted effort. the forum is meant for discussion, and flippant or terse comments keep the discussion very unsophisticated and bland. a short post is ok when it contains a link to what you're commenting on (you know, a picture tells a thousand words). use PM for messages to individuals. put a little effort and thought into what you post; it raises the bar for everyone, and keeps the discussion livelier.
a'ite, i've said my piece. the developing system east of the islands is probably the front-runner in a coming streak of activity. sticking to the forum rules is extra important when the post volume is high, as things can get chaotic (and then the admins don't get any sleep).
i'm gonna go eyeball some more stuff and post later. pretty sure irene won't make it in, but it did get into the western atlantic... already got some thoughts on what may be 'jose'.
HF 0135z13august


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Hank and Irene [Re: HanKFranK]
      #47811 - Fri Aug 12 2005 10:50 PM

TROPICAL STORM IRENE DISCUSSION NUMBER 34
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
11 PM EDT FRI AUG 12 2005 ( edited~danielw)

SINCE THE LAST RECON REPORT AND 00Z SATELLITE INTENSITY ESTIMATES
...IRENE'S CONVECTIVE PATTERN HAS DEGRADED SOMEWHAT. A 12/2245Z SSMI OVERPASS INDICATED A SHARP DRY SLOT HAD PUSHED INTO THE CIRCULATION
FROM THE NORTH...ALL THE WHILE CLOUD TOPS HAVE WARMED NEAR THE CENTER AND A CDO FEATURE IS NO LONGER EVIDENT IN INFRARED IMAGERY.
THEREFORE...THE INTENSITY IS BEING MAINTAINED AT 60 KT.
HOWEVER...
THE CENTRAL PRESSURE HAS BEEN DECREASED TO 991 MB BASED ON A 12/2300Z PRESSURE OF 995.9 MB REPORTED BY BUOY 41927 LOCATED ABOUT 30 NMI NORTHEAST OF THE CENTER...WHICH WAS LOWER THAN THE LAST RECON REPORTED CENTRAL PRESSURE OF 997 MB AT 12/2023Z.
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCDAT4+shtml/130244.shtml

Hank, you got some inside info that we don't know about?

nope. i'm just as confused as the next guy. -HF

Edited by HanKFranK (Sat Aug 13 2005 01:47 AM)


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Re: quick reminder [Re: HanKFranK]
      #47812 - Fri Aug 12 2005 10:51 PM

I saw some of the early model runs for invest 96l and one model takes the disturbance almost to the South American coast....my question is this: Has a TS or Hurricane ever made landfall on the S. American coast? Can they get that far south? I know some storms have come close to Trinidad and surrounding islands, but i have never seen one hit the coast. Just wondering....

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11:00 is out...Irene Still a TS [Re: HanKFranK]
      #47813 - Fri Aug 12 2005 10:53 PM

the 11:00 advisory is now out, and Irene is still a TS...actually with her wv loop she's looking quite ragged...as was noted earlier by Frank P.

If you click the link, make sure you fill in the "trop fcst pts" and "lat/lon" check boxes...

although forecast to become a CAT I 'cane, the good news is that now she's definitely progged to remain well offshore; still may warrant a bear watch over the next couple of days, but it's almost time to sound the "all clear" for the East Coast...

peak of the season is just beginning, and it's possible we'll have jose in the next few days...the "fun" has really only just begun...

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The Future Of Irene [Re: LI Phil]
      #47816 - Fri Aug 12 2005 11:32 PM

Don't be too quick to call that 'all clear' just yet. The narrow ridge to the north of the storm is building and creating some rather significant compression shear from the east over Irene - thus the ragged appearance. The ridge has also extended southwestward toward the southeast U.S. and was evident this afternoon when thunderstorms over the Florida peninsula were shoved to the southwest. In a very real sense, Irene is 'trapped' for the moment. Her northwesterly movement has become more west northwest and a slow westward track is even possible over the weekend. The easterly shear is going to keep intensification in check for awhile and the storm may actually weaken. Another ridge will move offshore on Saturday and intensify the block,so Irene may be stuck in place for a couple of days. Right now I'm not sure exactly where Irene will end up. The 11pm Advisory was simply a continuity forecast so I'm guessing that NHC is having a bit of trouble with this one too.
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