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Lysis
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Re: Behind Emily [Re: Old Sailor]
      #42605 - Tue Jul 12 2005 08:11 PM

Emily is a tropical cyclone... what do you mean by wave?

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Edited by Lysis (Tue Jul 12 2005 08:12 PM)


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Re: Behind Emily [Re: Rabbit]
      #42606 - Tue Jul 12 2005 08:17 PM

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interesting that 2001, 02, 03, and 04 the "I" name was retired




The NHC must be having a fit with all these I-storms being retired.... I mean, it isn't exactly easy to keep coming up with I names!

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Big Red Machine
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Re: Behind Emily [Re: MikeC]
      #42607 - Tue Jul 12 2005 08:24 PM

Thanks for your hard work Mike. You're right... that Andrew satellite view is very eerie.

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Steve H1
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Re: Behind Emily [Re: Rabbit]
      #42608 - Tue Jul 12 2005 08:37 PM

Convection starting to burst around 99L

Massive table breaking link shortened -- mikec

Edited by MikeC (Tue Jul 12 2005 08:41 PM)


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Old Sailor
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Re: Behind Emily [Re: Lysis]
      #42610 - Tue Jul 12 2005 08:43 PM

Some of the reasons why I feel it's a strong wave or maybe Low,in addition to what I said before is that some of the models only show small low at the end of 120 hours or just rain. Nothing new here is has happen many times before, They will have Aircarft Recon there tomorrow lets see what happens.

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MichaelA
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Re: Behind Emily [Re: Steve H1]
      #42611 - Tue Jul 12 2005 08:43 PM

Looks like a depression to me. We're off to the races!

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Re: Behind Emily [Re: MichaelA]
      #42612 - Tue Jul 12 2005 08:47 PM

I agree - that looks like a depression.

So...hypothetically in a day or two we could have our sixth named storm and our second hurricane (pushing second major hurricane). Once again I am asking why I booked a cruise in October.


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Re: Behind Emily [Re: Steve H1]
      #42613 - Tue Jul 12 2005 08:50 PM

hmmm.. emily sped up this morning and is still racing west. if that prescribed wnw bend doesn't start soon the thing will crash into trinidad. after its CDO went out and all that was left was banding and beautiful outflow this morning, the CDO came back this afternoon and the system looks solid again. old sailor's comment isn't off.. we have seen systems near or in the caribbean take off to the west and open up. unless it starts to deepen and gain latitude emily will more than likely be a central america threat and never get to the north. confidence on emily gets lower as it gets closer to trinidad.. if it speeds up anymore and doesn't get a couple degrees of latitude it will probably splatter and open up on the coast of venezuela in a day or two. then again if it deepens dramatically (which i think it should, but less so than before) it will turn wnw and get up near the official track).
the disturbance se of emily has slowed down, separated from the ITCZ, lost most of its convection... while the one past the cv islands has sped up and is closing on it. it should act like a tarbaby and keep the cv low (99L) on a lower-latitude path for the meanwhile... that system should move mostly west for the next 2 days and slowly spin up... probably turn wnw as franklin after that. i don't buy the GFS prog that hangs it near bermuda for a few days with deep upper trough digging behind it, then squeezes it through the ridge. franklin will accelerate westward when that upper trough digs in behind it, i'm fairly sure. the threat will be florida up to the carolinas.. with a w to wnw moving system at impact around july 22, i reckon.
ignoring the MM5 low in the boc.. see three other things of passing interest. westerly backing at the surface has again intruded into the sw caribbean... upper trough is moving w to the north, with diffluence and ridging building in aloft. too close to the coast, unlikely anything could spin up here. wave should come off africa tomorrow.. models not really seeing it, but it looks fairly impressive. surface trough with a good bit of convergence near 25/65 will have ridging build above it... models not really seeing anything out there either, though.
that's pretty much everything. two systems, one an invest which should develop before friday... and three low-interest trouble spots that need to persist.
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Re: Behind Emily [Re: Domino]
      #42614 - Tue Jul 12 2005 08:52 PM

hope you booked your cruise for Alaska. Weather might be safer there.

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Steve H1
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Re: Behind Emily [Re: Steve H1]
      #42616 - Tue Jul 12 2005 09:04 PM

Thanks Mike ! I'll make them smaller next time

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Re: Invest 99L [Re: Lysis]
      #42617 - Tue Jul 12 2005 09:06 PM

Environmental thermodynamics can mean a lot of things, but here, it's likely heat content (not a whole lot in the ocean, but improving with time) and midlevel moisture (which the storm has been embedded in since the African coast).

Really, I think the bigger question now becomes: will this storm hit South America? Unless the storm makes a quick jog to the north in a hurry, it might very well do so. Unfortunately, the Univ. of Wisconsin steering layer wind products are currently unavailable, but the storm has been moving (or rebuilding) further to the WSW for the past 6-12hr. It's going to be a close call as to whether or not it hits South America -- and if it does, it may not recover (or may take until the western Caribbean to do so, if it emerges off of land). Expect advisories for Trinidad to match those in Tobago at 11p with potentially advisories posted for the north coast of South America at that time as well.

Aside: T numbers on 99L are 1.0 now from SSD. Not anything to write home about, but it continues to become better organized. If this trend continues, it's got better than even odds of becoming TD 6 in the next day or two.

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MichaelA
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Re: Behind Emily [Re: HanKFranK]
      #42618 - Tue Jul 12 2005 09:17 PM

Looking at the non-enhanced WV loop of the Gulf/Carib/Atlantic, I wouldn't be surprised to see Emily take a very southerly track into Central America providing she avoids South America. Of course, that is many days away and things could change, but that's the way it looks for now.

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MichaelA
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Re: Invest 99L [Re: Clark]
      #42619 - Tue Jul 12 2005 09:23 PM

Quote:

Really, I think the bigger question now becomes: will this storm hit South America? Unless the storm makes a quick jog to the north in a hurry, it might very well do so. Unfortunately, the Univ. of Wisconsin steering layer wind products are currently unavailable, but the storm has been moving (or rebuilding) further to the WSW for the past 6-12hr. It's going to be a close call as to whether or not it hits South America -- and if it does, it may not recover (or may take until the western Caribbean to do so, if it emerges off of land). Expect advisories for Trinidad to match those in Tobago at 11p with potentially advisories posted for the north coast of South America at that time as well.



Good. I'm not the only one seeing that.

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Re: Behind Emily [Re: MichaelA]
      #42620 - Tue Jul 12 2005 09:25 PM

I dont understand if the ridge is so strong why do they have invest 99 heading north instead of west.

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Re: Invest 99L [Re: MichaelA]
      #42621 - Tue Jul 12 2005 09:27 PM

Yeah, Emily is really becoming better organized, but the governments of the South American countries had better wake up and issue some warnings, cause she's a headin' straight for them. Movement looks WSW. Down to around 10.5 and 55.0.

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Re: Invest 99L and Emily [Re: WeatherNLU]
      #42622 - Tue Jul 12 2005 09:37 PM

Latest Hovmoller diagrams, through 2330Z, show that Emily had a more intense look 24 hours ago.
Wave behind Emily, has a central convective complex and good banding in the SE Quadrant.

The most interesting of the three, is the wave leaving the Coast of Senegal. It looks like Emily did at her peak yesterday. And it's still over land. Banding/ outflow patterns from NE through SW.
Here's a link. Most current frame is at the bottom.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/tafb/m7hov1.gif


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MichaelA
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Re: Invest 99L and Emily [Re: danielw]
      #42623 - Tue Jul 12 2005 09:45 PM

That looks really strong, but what will happen to it once it is over open water that is much cooler than the land temps it is over now? Actually, the SSTs look to be rather warm off the African coast.

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Edited by MichaelA (Tue Jul 12 2005 09:47 PM)


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Re: Invest 99L and Emily [Re: MichaelA]
      #42624 - Tue Jul 12 2005 09:48 PM

Most systems like that die out to some degree after some time over water. Whether or not it reforms is another story, but those convective complexes can often spin-up weak low-to-mid-level vortices that can track westward in the ocean and serve to focus convection later on down the line once conditions are more favorable, provided that the vortex survives. Dennis and Emily were somewhat like that...the wave behind Emily as well, if it develops. Only time will tell as to what happens with this one.

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MichaelA
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Re: Invest 99L and Emily [Re: Clark]
      #42625 - Tue Jul 12 2005 09:51 PM

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Only time will tell as to what happens with this one.



As always.

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Re: Invest 99L and Emily [Re: Clark]
      #42627 - Tue Jul 12 2005 09:57 PM

The guys who came up with this year's names must have had some fun while setting up the latter ones.....

I mean everytime I see Igor, I think of "Young Frankenstein" and if we get down to the W's I think we'll all be doing the Fred Flintstone imitation by screaming "Willllllllmaaaaa!!!!!!"

Just a little levity.....

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