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teal61
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18z GFS and NAM.... [Re: Thunderbird12]
      #57025 - Fri Sep 23 2005 06:13 PM

Both the GFS:

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/18/index_ten_m_loop.shtml

and the NAM:

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/nam/18/index_slp_m_loop.shtml

Forecast continued NW movement for about 6 hours and the turn west for about another six hours along 29 north then back to the north over or just west of Galveston.

Now I realize that the NAM is not always the best model for tropical systems but the agreement is remarkable.


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Thunderbird12
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Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... [Re: teal61]
      #57026 - Fri Sep 23 2005 06:45 PM

The 18Z MM5 (also not the best for hurricanes) also shows a NW, then W, then NW again motion before landfall. I'm not sure what the models are picking up on, but we'll see how it plays out from here. If nothing else, that suggests the storm might slow down some as the steering currents become slightly less defined. It seems to be cruising along pretty quickly at the moment.

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cjzydeco
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Specail Advisory [Re: Thunderbird12]
      #57027 - Fri Sep 23 2005 06:49 PM

On NBC, they just said the NHC is coming out with a special advisory. Isn't the next one at 8 pm???

Never Mind. Just answered my own question.
Quote:

INTERMEDIATE ADVISORIES WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL HURRICANE
CENTER AT 6 PM CDT AND 8 PM CDT FOLLOWED BY THE NEXT COMPLETE
ADVISORY AT 10 PM CDT.





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Edited by cjzydeco (Fri Sep 23 2005 06:51 PM)


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Thunderbird12
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Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... [Re: Thunderbird12]
      #57029 - Fri Sep 23 2005 07:04 PM

As if on cue, the eye has made an apparent wobble to the west on the radar loop in the last few frames (actually looks like something just rudely shoved it to the west). Some of that may be an artifact of how the half eyewall is wrapping around the center of circulation.

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BabyCat
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pressure readings [Re: cjzydeco]
      #57030 - Fri Sep 23 2005 07:06 PM

Does anyone online now have the software to get the pressure readings along the coast...say, Galveston to Morgan City?

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teal61
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Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... [Re: Thunderbird12]
      #57031 - Fri Sep 23 2005 07:09 PM

Quote:

As if on cue, the eye has made an apparent wobble to the west on the radar loop in the last few frames (actually looks like something just rudely shoved it to the west). Some of that may be an artifact of how the half eyewall is wrapping around the center of circulation.




I was just noticing that, it will be interesting to seee what happens. BTW JB also made a comment about that in his afternoon update.

What version of the MM5 was that. Do you have a link ?


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MikeCAdministrator
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Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... [Re: teal61]
      #57032 - Fri Sep 23 2005 07:12 PM

I've begun long term recording of coastal radar of Rita you can see that here It will remain until Rita is out of range.

Long term Level 3 radar recording courtesy HCW[/url] too.


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oil trader
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Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... [Re: MikeC]
      #57033 - Fri Sep 23 2005 07:18 PM

I supposed that this site would be on fire by this time. Is Rita no event?

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Dougyd
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Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... [Re: teal61]
      #57034 - Fri Sep 23 2005 07:19 PM

It may be my poor eyesight, but it seems to me that the map overlays are different between the floaters and the radars.

I am wondering if anyone else sees this. I also think this may be one of the reasons for the recent controversy.

Just a thought.

Doug


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Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... [Re: oil trader]
      #57035 - Fri Sep 23 2005 07:22 PM

They are sleeping. They will be up all night is my guess.

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Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... [Re: teal61]
      #57036 - Fri Sep 23 2005 07:24 PM

The MM5 version I am looking at is not available on the web to my knowledge (I realize there is more than one MM5 floating around... I should be more specific). It is capable of resolving the system pretty well (initalizes the system at around 960mb), but the tracks have been off some. I mention it only because it shows a similar westward jog to the 18Z GFS. I'm interested to see what the 18Z GFDL will show with the track.

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Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... [Re: BabyCat]
      #57037 - Fri Sep 23 2005 07:30 PM

i know there is Rita and all but us in fl are watching Rita too much. should we start watching our backside on the east? it looks like phillipe turned around and then more are coming after that.

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collegemom
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Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... [Re: BabyCat]
      #57038 - Fri Sep 23 2005 07:37 PM

Well since you aren't sleeping I was wondering if we could find someone AWAKE to venture forth on the weather conditions to the NE. After all I'm an Arkie and the word tornado rings a bell. :?:

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Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... [Re: nl]
      #57039 - Fri Sep 23 2005 07:39 PM

Quote:

i know there is Rita and all but us in fl are watching Rita too much. should we start watching our backside on the east? it looks like phillipe turned around and then more are coming after that.




TROPICAL DEPRESSION PHILIPPE DISCUSSION NUMBER 26
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
5 PM EDT FRI SEP 23 2005


PHILIPPE IS A VERY SMALL SWIRL OF LOW CLOUDS...AND Dvorak T-NUMBERS
NO LONGER SUPPORT TROPICAL STORM STRENGTH. THE SYSTEM IS
DOWNGRADED TO A DEPRESSION ON THIS ADVISORY.
PHILIPPE IS EXPECTED
TO BECOME ABSORBED WITHIN A BROAD LOW PRESSURE AREA WITHIN 12-24
HOURS...AND THIS COULD OCCUR EVEN SOONER.

Please stay on topic- Rita, until landfall-Thanks~danielw


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UKCloudgazer
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Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... [Re: oil trader]
      #57040 - Fri Sep 23 2005 07:44 PM

Quote:

I supposed that this site would be on fire by this time. Is Rita no event?




I've been mooching around for hours. Been looking at the Sats, learning how to read the recons properly etc as no new posts to read. (Don't normally add as I am still learning - been lurking a couple of months.) I'll be up early to catch up - was waiting for the 6pm but don't think I can last out till the 8pm.


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Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... [Re: Thunderbird12]
      #57041 - Fri Sep 23 2005 07:47 PM

No sign of any significant westward jog in the 18Z GFDL:

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/productview.php?pil=WBCCHGQLM

The westward movement of the eye seems to have stopped in the last half hour... of course, it hasn't really moved in any other direction either in that time. Satellite indicates a slow NW movement of the overall cloud pattern over the last hour or so.


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Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... [Re: Thunderbird12]
      #57042 - Fri Sep 23 2005 07:49 PM

Latest recon has the pressure back to 930mb, with max flight-level winds of 121 knots. There was a dropsonde a couple of hours ago that measured 110 knots at the surface, so the current official intensity still seems to be accurate.

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Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... [Re: Thunderbird12]
      #57043 - Fri Sep 23 2005 07:57 PM

Largest pressure falls last hour (as of 6 CDT) were in Beaumont, TX (1.6 mb), with Galveston at 1.1 mb and Lake Charles at 1.0 mb.

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Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... [Re: Thunderbird12]
      #57044 - Fri Sep 23 2005 08:00 PM

Latest recon - I'm confused. Is that an elliptical eyewall that is normally in the form of Deg/Max/Min or is that three eyewalls (normally formed Radius-Radius-Radius)?

655
URNT12 KNHC 232322Z
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
A. 23/2303Z
B. 28 DEG 28 MIN N
92 DEG 54 MIN W
C. 700 MB 2492 MA
D. NA
E. NA
F. 151 DEG 121 KT
G. 061 DEG 17 NM
H. 930 MB
I. 12 C/ 3050 M
J. 20 C/ 3061 M
K. 15 C/ NA
L. OPEN E-SW
M. E 080-30-20
N. 12345/7
O. 1/1 NM
P. NOAA3 2318A Rita OB 31
MAX FL WIND 121 KT NE QUAD 2258Z
MAX FLT LVL TEMP 060/10 NM FROM CNTR


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Hypothetical Landfall Location [Re: Thunderbird12]
      #57045 - Fri Sep 23 2005 08:06 PM

Using the last two Vortex messages.
And assuming that there is No deviation from the present heading.

Rita should cross the shoreline near Star Lake and Clam Lake,TX.
This point is roughly half way between Sabine Pass,TX and High Island,Tx on Highway 87.
If this hypothetical track were to continue.
Rita would pass East of Winnie,TX and cross Interstate 10 East of Exit 833.
This is in the Hamshire, TX area and about 15 miles West of Beaumont, TX.

All of the above assumes no changes in Rita's heading prior to Landfall.
These points are for the center of the storm. The radius of Hurricane Force Winds is much larger and extend outward up to 75 miles.


Edited by danielw (Fri Sep 23 2005 08:11 PM)


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