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Atlantic Discussion
      Thu Jul 29 2004 09:39 PM

FWIW, Kevin and I just finished the discussion below. Looks like a busy weekend ahead for us.

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IWIC Atlantic Tropical Weather Discussion - 29 July 2004 - 9:20 PM EDT

The Atlantic Basin has become a bit more active today. There remains two prominent areas of interest, one being a surface trough just northeast of the Bahamas, and the other a broad surface low pressure just east of the Florida Straits.

The surface trough northeast of the Bahamas has been gradually organizing over the past 12 to 24 hours. Visible satellite imagery hints at a possible weak low level circulation developing near 26ºN, 72ºW, though a few more hours of microwave shortwave satellite imagery will be needed to confirm this. Regardless, given these recent satellite imagery trends, we are confident that a definate low level circulation will develop around the coordinates given above within the next 12 hours. Weak to moderate low level convergence is noted around the possible low, particularly from the south. Convection as a whole associated with the system is on a diurnal wane, though an upper level low to the south is helping to enhance convection southeast of the potential center by creating strong lift. At the same time, it is currently restricting convective development in the southwest quadrant. Meanwhile, an upper level ridge is noted over the northern half of the system, enabling a decent anticyclonic outflow pattern to establish in the northern and eastern quadrants. This overall situation is more baroclinic than barotropic, though changes appear to be in store. Model guidance indicates that the upper level low will continue to slowly slide southwestward. In response, this will allow for the upper level ridge to expand further south so that it encompasses nearly the entire system. This will permit ventilation aloft in all quadrants, a necessity for a true tropical cyclone. The progged southwestward or southward position of the upper level low will aid convection in the center of the disturbance as well. With a large upper level ridge progged to be located directly over the surface center, wind shear should not be a problem. Global models are not too agressive on intensity despite this, however. Most only show development into a tropical depression or tropical storm at the most. Some, such as the GFS, do not show anything more than an inverted trough. The dynamical SHIPS model is more bullish than the global model suite, and strengthens it to a moderate tropical storm in the next 48 hours. Considering the recent organization trend and the already building favorable upper tropospheric pattern, there is good potential for tropical depression or tropical storm development within the next 24 hours. However, taking model guidance into account and the lack of a lot of time spent over water, nothing more is anticipated.

The future track of the system depends solely on the position of the subtropical ridge and the timing arrival of a trough currently located over the central United States plains. Motion over the past 12 to 24 hours has been very slowly towards the west-northwest, which is expected to continue in the near future along the prehiphery of the subtropical ridge. Thereafter, some uncertainty arises. Once the trough approaches the United States east coast, the westward flank of the subtropical ridge will be pushed further east, thus curving the system north or northeastward. When this will happen, and whether it will happen before landfall, is the main question. The majority of the global models take the trough far enough east to influence the system in 60 to 72 hours. Given the current slow motion, this supports a right curve while still over water, thus taking it into eastern North Carolina rather than Georgia or South Carolina. The most recent run of the tropical models suggests otherwise, though little trust should be put into these models as most of them are primarily designed to handle purely tropcial situations south of 20ºN. Based on all of this, landfall in northern South Carolina or North Carolina is expected from the south-southwest late Sunday or early Monday. There remains some uncertainty in the exact time and location of landfall, as well as the intensity of the system. Thus, residents living along the coast from northern Florida to Virginia should monitor the progress of this disturbance. An Air Force Reserve Reconnaissance plane will investigate the area tomorrow if needed.

The second area of interest lies in the Gulf of Mexico. A broad area of low pressure is located just to the west of Dry Tortugas in the Florida Straits. Convection is increasing around its fringes this evening, mostly due to diurnal enhancement. Nonetheless, the organization as a whole is better now than it was 12 to 24 hours ago, with moderate low level convergence and anticyclonic flow aloft. The synoptic environment is gradually becoming more conducive for development. Model guidance still depicts a large upper level ridge building over the Gulf of Mexico in the near future. This will allow for greatly reduced shear values and strong evacuation aloft. Additionally, water temperatures and hurricane heat potential are more than sufficient to support a tropical cyclone in the Gulf of Mexico. If convection persists overnight and the circulation becomes better defined, this system will become a candidate for classification tomorrow. As mentioned above, conditions will allow for at least gradual strengthening over the next few days. It is also important to note that this system could be a slow mover even in the longer term, allowing more time over water. All factors subsisting, the prospect of strengthening looks good with this system. The Dynamical SHIPS model brings the low to a minimal hurricane in 120 hours. Global models are much less aggressive, but nearly all of them still show development. Based on the progged upper level pattern, recent organization trends, and model guidance, intensification to a tropical depression or tropical storm is a decent possibility over the next 36 hours. It is uncertain as to how strong this will become, but any low that stays over the warm Gulf of Mexico waters for several days under a large ridge aloft is always subject to concern.

The system is moving slowly towards the southwest at this time due to a temporary fluctuation in the low-level steering currents in the eastern Gulf of Mexico. Earlier today, east-southeasterly steering currents were observed. The recent fluctuation in steering can be attributed to the flattening of ridging to the north and east of the system. As the trough along the United States east coast moves further west, the western flank of the ridge in the subtropical Atlantic should weaken, allowing steering currents in the Gulf to switch to an easterly or east-southeasterly direction. Model guidance is extremely diverged on the future track. The BAMM and BAMD tropical models take it westward towards the Mexican or Texan coastline, as does the UKMET. On the other hand, a lot of the other global models, such as the ETA, GFS, and CMC curve it northward towards the northern Gulf coast. It is too soon to say with certainty which track the system will take. However, given the expected passage of a trough across the eastern half of the United States in the forecast period, a more southerly turn in the steering flow in the Gulf of Mexico would seem reasonable. Provided the system is more than just a tropical wave or a low with minimum central pressure lower than 1010 millibars, a turn more towards the north is the more likely scenario at this time. Furthermore, the tropical models are not very reliable in this type of situation. As with the western Atlantic disturbance, the environment is not completely barotropic, which is the pattern the tropical models perform best. The most likely target for landfall is from central Louisiana to extreme western Florida Panhandle. A more westward motion cannot be discounted yet, so interests in both the northern and western Gulf coasts should pay attention to this system over the upcoming weekend. An Air Force Reserve Reconnaissance plane will investigate this area tomorrow as well, if necessary.

On another note, the GFS continues to show tropical cyclone development from a tropical wave in the eastern Atlantic within the next 72 hours. However, no other model is in agreement with this solution, and the air ahead still looks a bit seasonably dry. We will continue to monitor this region of the Atlantic basin, but significant development is not expected at this time.

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* Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching MikeCAdministrator Thu Jul 29 2004 09:39 PM
. * * Answering My Own Question..:) LadyStorm   Sat Jul 31 2004 07:25 AM
. * * Re: Answering My Own Question..:) javlin   Sat Jul 31 2004 07:49 AM
. * * Re: Answering My Own Question..:) caneman   Sat Jul 31 2004 08:00 AM
. * * Re: Answering My Own Question..:) LadyStorm   Sat Jul 31 2004 08:24 AM
. * * Re: Answering My Own Question..:) Hurric   Sat Jul 31 2004 08:56 AM
. * * Re: Answering My Own Question..:) caneman   Sat Jul 31 2004 08:32 AM
. * * Re: east atlantic wave Tropics Guy   Sat Jul 31 2004 08:59 AM
. * * Re: east atlantic wave Rabbit   Sat Jul 31 2004 09:32 AM
. * * Re: east atlantic wave Anonymous   Sat Jul 31 2004 11:39 AM
. * * I just don't see 99L moving NW.... Anonymous   Sat Jul 31 2004 08:31 AM
. * * Flight Schedule??? LadyStorm   Sat Jul 31 2004 06:55 AM
. * * Re: Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching Anonymous   Fri Jul 30 2004 11:36 AM
. * * Re: Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching Anonymous   Fri Jul 30 2004 11:25 AM
. * * Re: Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching LI Phil   Fri Jul 30 2004 11:36 AM
. * * the answer and two questions Rabbit   Fri Jul 30 2004 11:45 AM
. * * Re: the answer and two questions LI Phil   Fri Jul 30 2004 11:51 AM
. * * LLC? rmbjoe1954   Fri Jul 30 2004 12:10 PM
. * * Re: LLC? doug   Fri Jul 30 2004 12:16 PM
. * * Re: LLC? Anonymous   Fri Jul 30 2004 12:32 PM
. * * Re: LLC? Rabbit   Fri Jul 30 2004 12:54 PM
. * * Recon observations Cycloneye   Fri Jul 30 2004 01:00 PM
. * * Re: Recon observations Anonymous   Fri Jul 30 2004 03:03 PM
. * * Re: Recon observations joepub1   Fri Jul 30 2004 01:17 PM
. * * Re: Recon observations Rabbit   Fri Jul 30 2004 01:24 PM
. * * Re: Recon observations James88   Fri Jul 30 2004 01:29 PM
. * * Re: Recon observations joepub1   Fri Jul 30 2004 01:34 PM
. * * twins.. tell me more bobbi   Fri Jul 30 2004 02:03 PM
. * * Re: twins.. tell me more James88   Fri Jul 30 2004 02:14 PM
. * * come on... show me which is the center bobbi   Fri Jul 30 2004 02:19 PM
. * * Re: come on... show me which is the center Anonymous   Fri Jul 30 2004 02:22 PM
. * * Re: come on... show me which is the center rmbjoe1954   Fri Jul 30 2004 03:04 PM
. * * I see one of the centers (76w/28n) pulling 99L to the West; bobbi   Fri Jul 30 2004 03:10 PM
. * * Re: I see one of the centers (76w/28n) pulling 99L to the West; rmbjoe1954   Fri Jul 30 2004 03:30 PM
. * * ok..loop lookers.. is there a twist south of cuba? bobbi   Fri Jul 30 2004 03:34 PM
. * * not best radar but get an idea bobbi   Fri Jul 30 2004 03:40 PM
. * * Re: not best radar but get an idea James88   Fri Jul 30 2004 03:59 PM
. * * Re: not best radar but get an idea rmbjoe1954   Fri Jul 30 2004 04:01 PM
. * * Re: not best radar but get an idea James88   Fri Jul 30 2004 04:03 PM
. * * Re: not best radar but get an idea rmbjoe1954   Fri Jul 30 2004 04:07 PM
. * * Re: not best radar but get an idea Rob_M   Fri Jul 30 2004 04:21 PM
. * * Couple of Bouy Links Cocoa Beach   Fri Jul 30 2004 05:00 PM
. * * 5:30 TWO LI Phil   Fri Jul 30 2004 05:16 PM
. * * Re: 5:30 TWO Old Sailor   Fri Jul 30 2004 07:51 PM
. * * Re: 5:30 TWO James88   Fri Jul 30 2004 05:22 PM
. * * Re: 5:30 TWO LoisCane   Fri Jul 30 2004 05:38 PM
. * * Re: 5:30 TWO Rich B   Fri Jul 30 2004 05:48 PM
. * * Re: 5:30 TWO h2ocean   Fri Jul 30 2004 07:25 PM
. * * 50 Online LI Phil   Fri Jul 30 2004 05:56 PM
. * * Looks like 90L might have the top of the hill in sight... teal61   Fri Jul 30 2004 07:15 PM
. * * Re: Looks like 90L might have the top of the hill in sight... FLPanhandle   Fri Jul 30 2004 07:22 PM
. * * slip sliding west LoisCane   Fri Jul 30 2004 07:26 PM
. * * Re: slip sliding west Cycloneye   Fri Jul 30 2004 07:42 PM
. * * Re: slip sliding west Tropics Guy   Fri Jul 30 2004 08:54 PM
. * * Re: slip sliding west h2ocean   Fri Jul 30 2004 10:06 PM
. * * From Cancun Anonymous   Fri Jul 30 2004 11:38 PM
. * * Re:Thanks for the radar site Tropics Guy   Sat Jul 31 2004 12:00 AM
. * * 24 hours of limbo HanKFranK   Sat Jul 31 2004 12:55 AM
. * * Re: 24 hours of limbo Steve   Sat Jul 31 2004 01:11 AM
. * * Re: 24 hours of limbo Hurric   Sat Jul 31 2004 07:46 AM
. * * Re: 24 hours of limbo James88   Sat Jul 31 2004 05:39 AM
. * * Re: 24 hours of limbo Anonymous   Sat Jul 31 2004 05:55 AM
. * * Re: 24 hours of limbo Hurricane   Sat Jul 31 2004 06:18 AM
. * * Re: slip sliding west Old Sailor   Fri Jul 30 2004 09:59 PM
. * * Re: slip sliding west Rabbit   Fri Jul 30 2004 07:50 PM
. * * You're welcome... LI Phil   Fri Jul 30 2004 08:05 PM
. * * Dvorak T numbers Cycloneye   Fri Jul 30 2004 08:31 PM
. * * conflicting satellite appearances? Rabbit   Fri Jul 30 2004 08:45 PM
. * * Re: You're welcome... Rabbit   Fri Jul 30 2004 08:13 PM
. * * tropical discussion Rabbit   Fri Jul 30 2004 08:29 PM
. * * Re: 5:30 TWO Steve   Fri Jul 30 2004 05:47 PM
. * * Re: not best radar but get an idea h2ocean   Fri Jul 30 2004 04:20 PM
. * * Re: not best radar but get an idea h2ocean   Fri Jul 30 2004 04:53 PM
. * * Re: not best radar but get an idea GaryC   Fri Jul 30 2004 04:59 PM
. * * Re: I see one of the centers (76w/28n) pulling 99L to the West; James88   Fri Jul 30 2004 03:34 PM
. * * seriously...short post bobbi   Fri Jul 30 2004 02:44 PM
. * * Re: seriously...short post Rabbit   Fri Jul 30 2004 02:54 PM
. * * Re: seriously...short post James88   Fri Jul 30 2004 02:59 PM
. * * Re: seriously...short post Rabbit   Fri Jul 30 2004 03:05 PM
. * * Re: come on... anon.. bobbi   Fri Jul 30 2004 02:41 PM
. * * Re: twins.. tell me more Anonymous   Fri Jul 30 2004 02:17 PM
. * * Re: LLC? doug   Fri Jul 30 2004 12:50 PM
. * * Re: LLC? joepub1   Fri Jul 30 2004 12:26 PM
. * * Re: the answer and two questions joepub1   Fri Jul 30 2004 12:02 PM
. * * Re: the answer and two questions Anonymous   Fri Jul 30 2004 11:53 AM
. * * Re: the answer and two questions James88   Fri Jul 30 2004 11:48 AM
. * * Re: the answer and two questions Anonymous   Fri Jul 30 2004 12:00 PM
. * * Re: the answer and two questions rmbjoe1954   Fri Jul 30 2004 12:02 PM
. * * just a quick note... Rabbit   Fri Jul 30 2004 12:08 PM
. * * Re: just a quick note... stop staring bobbi   Fri Jul 30 2004 12:30 PM
. * * Re: the answer and two questions Rabbit   Fri Jul 30 2004 12:01 PM
. * * Can I ... Cocoa Beach   Fri Jul 30 2004 09:38 AM
. * * Re: Can I ... MikeCAdministrator   Fri Jul 30 2004 09:43 AM
. * * Re: Can I ... Anonymous   Fri Jul 30 2004 11:32 AM
. * * it means........ bobbi   Fri Jul 30 2004 11:51 AM
. * * Re: it means........ GaryC   Fri Jul 30 2004 12:49 PM
. * * Dvorak Chart LI Phil   Fri Jul 30 2004 12:53 PM
. * * A Cool Picture... Beach   Fri Jul 30 2004 10:29 AM
. * * Re: A Cool Picture... James88   Fri Jul 30 2004 10:43 AM
. * * Re: A Cool Picture... Beach   Fri Jul 30 2004 10:58 AM
. * * Re: A Cool Picture... LI Phil   Fri Jul 30 2004 11:12 AM
. * * LLC is there on 99L joepub1   Fri Jul 30 2004 11:34 AM
. * * Re: LLC is there on 99L doug   Fri Jul 30 2004 12:28 PM
. * * 11:30 TWO - Interesting... James88   Fri Jul 30 2004 11:20 AM
. * * Re: 11:30 TWO - Interesting... Anonymous   Fri Jul 30 2004 11:35 AM
. * * 68/24 bobbi   Fri Jul 30 2004 11:09 AM
. * * Re: Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching Anonymous   Thu Jul 29 2004 07:17 PM
. * * Re: Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching rmbjoe1954   Thu Jul 29 2004 07:24 PM
. * * good posts.. LoisCane   Thu Jul 29 2004 07:36 PM
. * * Re: Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching Kevin   Thu Jul 29 2004 07:01 PM
. * * Re: Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching Rich B   Thu Jul 29 2004 07:21 PM
. * * 99L's future... LI Phil   Thu Jul 29 2004 07:18 PM
. * * Re: Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching Allison   Thu Jul 29 2004 01:18 PM
. * * Re: Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching javlin   Thu Jul 29 2004 01:42 PM
. * * Re: Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching Old Sailor   Thu Jul 29 2004 02:25 PM
. * * Re: Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching Old Sailor   Thu Jul 29 2004 11:41 PM
. * * midnight take HanKFranK   Fri Jul 30 2004 12:03 AM
. * * Re: midnight take DroopGB31   Fri Jul 30 2004 01:39 AM
. * * Re: midnight take James88   Fri Jul 30 2004 02:48 AM
. * * Re: midnight take Steve Hirschb.   Fri Jul 30 2004 07:35 AM
. * * Re: midnight take h2ocean   Fri Jul 30 2004 08:12 AM
. * * Steering Winds -99L rmbjoe1954   Fri Jul 30 2004 08:33 AM
. * * Re: Steering Winds -99L LI Phil   Fri Jul 30 2004 08:39 AM
. * * friday thoughts.. LoisCane   Fri Jul 30 2004 08:54 AM
. * * Re: friday thoughts.. rmbjoe1954   Fri Jul 30 2004 09:19 AM
. * * agree with joe.. can't find one .. bobbi   Fri Jul 30 2004 09:47 AM
. * * Re: agree with joe.. can't find one .. Steve   Fri Jul 30 2004 10:12 AM
. * * Re: Steering Winds -99L James88   Fri Jul 30 2004 08:48 AM
. * * Quick early morning JB thoughts LI Phil   Fri Jul 30 2004 08:24 AM
. * * Re: Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching LI Phil   Thu Jul 29 2004 02:32 PM
. * * Re: Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching Old Sailor   Thu Jul 29 2004 03:24 PM
. * * Re: Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching bobbi   Thu Jul 29 2004 02:48 PM
. * * Re: Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching James88   Thu Jul 29 2004 04:00 PM
. * * Re: Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching James88   Thu Jul 29 2004 04:12 PM
. * * Re: Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching Old Sailor   Thu Jul 29 2004 04:23 PM
. * * Re: Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching caneman   Thu Jul 29 2004 04:18 PM
. * * Re: Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching alan`   Thu Jul 29 2004 04:58 PM
. * * bouy drops bobbi   Thu Jul 29 2004 04:26 PM
. * * Atlantic system does have a red dot red dots   Thu Jul 29 2004 04:29 PM
. * * Future Movement??? GR FLA   Thu Jul 29 2004 04:47 PM
. * * JB Afternoon Update LI Phil   Thu Jul 29 2004 04:55 PM
. * * what if.. just a what if Fantasy Tracking here.. bobbi   Thu Jul 29 2004 05:50 PM
. * * Re: what if.. just a what if Fantasy Tracking here.. Anonymous   Thu Jul 29 2004 06:01 PM
. * * Re: what if.. just a what if Fantasy Tracking here.. Old Sailor   Thu Jul 29 2004 07:40 PM
. * * Re: what if.. just a what if Fantasy Tracking here.. Anonymous   Thu Jul 29 2004 07:54 PM
. * * Interesting Link teal61   Thu Jul 29 2004 07:58 PM
. * * Awfully quiet this e'en... LI Phil   Thu Jul 29 2004 08:27 PM
. * * SSD dvorak Cycloneye   Thu Jul 29 2004 09:01 PM
. * * Re: SSD dvorak Anonymous   Thu Jul 29 2004 09:20 PM
. * * two SyS Anonymous   Thu Jul 29 2004 09:28 PM
. * * Atlantic Discussion Rob_M   Thu Jul 29 2004 09:39 PM
. * * N.C. Discussion WXMAN RICHIE   Thu Jul 29 2004 09:53 PM
. * * wave off Africa LoisCane   Thu Jul 29 2004 10:17 PM
. * * What the... Kevin   Thu Jul 29 2004 11:44 PM
. * * Steve, please explain... Anonymous   Thu Jul 29 2004 06:37 PM
. * * Re: Steve, please explain... LI Phil   Thu Jul 29 2004 06:39 PM
. * * Re: what if.. just a what if Fantasy Tracking here.. DroopGB31   Thu Jul 29 2004 05:58 PM
. * * Re: what if.. just a what if Fantasy Tracking here.. DroopGB31   Thu Jul 29 2004 06:08 PM
. * * Re: what if.. just a what if Fantasy Tracking here.. ErinAndOpal95   Thu Jul 29 2004 06:15 PM
. * * later obs HanKFranK   Thu Jul 29 2004 06:39 PM
. * * later obs Anonymous   Thu Jul 29 2004 06:58 PM
. * * Re: what if.. just a what if Fantasy Tracking here.. h2ocean   Thu Jul 29 2004 06:33 PM
. * * Re: what if.. just a what if Fantasy Tracking here.. javlin   Thu Jul 29 2004 06:14 PM
. * * Re: what if.. just a what if Fantasy Tracking here.. javlin   Thu Jul 29 2004 05:57 PM
. * * Re: JB Afternoon Update teal61   Thu Jul 29 2004 05:36 PM
. * * Re: JB Afternoon Update ticka1   Thu Jul 29 2004 07:32 PM
. * * Re: JB Afternoon Update LI Phil   Thu Jul 29 2004 07:36 PM
. * * 99L James88   Thu Jul 29 2004 05:49 PM
. * * Re: JB Afternoon Update LI Phil   Thu Jul 29 2004 05:46 PM
. * * Re: JB Afternoon Update DroopGB31   Thu Jul 29 2004 05:03 PM
. * * 5:30pm TWO Jamiewx   Thu Jul 29 2004 05:14 PM
. * * Re: 5:30pm TWO James88   Thu Jul 29 2004 05:21 PM
. * * Re: 5:30pm TWO ErinAndOpal95   Thu Jul 29 2004 05:35 PM
. * * Sounds like we've finally got something(s) Alex K   Thu Jul 29 2004 05:18 PM
. * * Re: Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching James88   Thu Jul 29 2004 04:23 PM
. * * preempt HanKFranK   Thu Jul 29 2004 03:12 PM
. * * 99L rmbjoe1954   Thu Jul 29 2004 01:57 PM
. * * Re: Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching James88   Thu Jul 29 2004 01:07 PM
. * * Re: Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching SirCane   Thu Jul 29 2004 03:35 PM
. * * Re: Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching LI Phil   Thu Jul 29 2004 03:44 PM
. * * Re: Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching Cycloneye   Thu Jul 29 2004 03:48 PM

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