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Re: ? for Mets & long time trackers
      Thu Sep 30 2004 08:53 AM

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I too noticed the phenomenon, that nothing that was already on the ground was moved.




Surface winds in tropical cyclones are highest slightly above the surface due to friction at the earth's surface. This is why wind speeds are usually higher over open water, as opposed to land, because land has more friction than water.

On land, the maximum wind speeds usually reach the surface in the form of gusts, not sustained winds. This usually happens during downdrafts in rain squalls, which transport the higher winds above the surface to ground level. This might explain the downward force of wind on trees and buildings.

Meso-vortices, or mini-swirls, in the eye wall of hurricanes also can bring maximum wind speeds to the surface. Just like tornadoes, these vortices bring powerful winds right to ground level. This happened in Andrew, where we discovered narrow bands of catastrophic damage right next to areas with much less extreme damage. This is common in major hurricanes.

I am located about 4 miles inland from the Gulf Coast. When Jeanne passed just to my north this past weekend, I recorded wind gusts of 65mph in my neighborhood. However, just a 4 mile trip to the coast revealed a different situation. Winds right on the water were sustained at 60mph, and gusting to 75-80mph.

During Hurricane Jeanne, most areas slightly inland from the immediate coast likely did not see sustained winds near 120mph. These winds, and even gusts above 120mph, were realized mostly in the form of downdrafts and mini-swirls. Such wind distribution over land leads to the disparate levels of damage we see in areas struck by hurricanes.

Ronn

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* Jeanne and Lisa now in the North Atlantic danielwAdministrator Thu Sep 30 2004 08:53 AM
. * * Here we go again? LadyStorm   Sat Oct 02 2004 07:26 AM
. * * Spinning System S of Hati. Grasshopper2   Thu Sep 30 2004 03:28 PM
. * * Re: Spinning System S of Hati. LI Phil   Thu Sep 30 2004 03:59 PM
. * * Re: Spinning System S of Hati. leetdan   Thu Sep 30 2004 04:14 PM
. * * Discussion LI Phil   Thu Sep 30 2004 04:21 PM
. * * Re: Discussion leetdan   Thu Sep 30 2004 04:53 PM
. * * Holy **** WXMAN RICHIE   Thu Sep 30 2004 04:40 PM
. * * Re: Holy **** matlon   Thu Sep 30 2004 05:36 PM
. * * Re: Holy **** grasshopper2   Thu Sep 30 2004 04:51 PM
. * * Matthew LI Phil   Thu Sep 30 2004 05:09 PM
. * * Re: Matthew grasshopper2   Thu Sep 30 2004 05:34 PM
. * * yellow alert/green threat HanKFranK   Thu Sep 30 2004 06:12 PM
. * * Lat/Lon LI Phil   Thu Sep 30 2004 06:03 PM
. * * Re: Lat/Lon grasshopper2   Fri Oct 01 2004 10:47 AM
. * * Re: Lat/Lon BeachBum   Fri Oct 01 2004 07:19 PM
. * * Tropical Weather Outlook-1030pm Friday danielwAdministrator   Sat Oct 02 2004 01:21 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Weather Outlook-1030pm Friday James88   Sat Oct 02 2004 05:07 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Weather Outlook-1030pm Friday Matt033   Sat Oct 02 2004 06:38 AM
. * * Re: Lat/Lon andy1tom   Fri Oct 01 2004 11:44 AM
. * * Re: Lat/Lon doug   Fri Oct 01 2004 12:35 PM
. * * Re: today's tropical discussion doug   Fri Oct 01 2004 12:54 PM
. * * Noon Friday WXMAN RICHIE   Fri Oct 01 2004 01:12 PM
. * * ??? Brad   Fri Oct 01 2004 04:09 PM
. * * Re: ??? Clark   Fri Oct 01 2004 05:28 PM
. * * Re: ??? Keith234   Fri Oct 01 2004 05:42 PM
. * * seconded notion HanKFranK   Fri Oct 01 2004 05:40 PM
. * * Re: ??? ChiBride   Fri Oct 01 2004 05:38 PM
. * * Re: ??? Brad   Fri Oct 01 2004 04:10 PM
. * * Hurricane Lisa LI Phil   Fri Oct 01 2004 04:42 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Lisa Rabbit   Fri Oct 01 2004 04:54 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Lisa LI Phil   Fri Oct 01 2004 04:56 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Lisa James88   Fri Oct 01 2004 05:18 PM
. * * Re: Noon Friday Grasshopper2   Fri Oct 01 2004 01:59 PM
. * * Re: Noon Friday Ed in Va   Fri Oct 01 2004 01:26 PM
. * * Re: Lat/Lon BeachBum   Thu Sep 30 2004 07:33 PM
. * * Re: Matthew SteveieB   Thu Sep 30 2004 05:32 PM
. * * Re: Matthew James88   Thu Sep 30 2004 05:31 PM
. * * Re: Spinning System S of Hati. grasshopper2   Thu Sep 30 2004 04:02 PM
. * * Re: Spinning System S of Hati. Keith234   Thu Sep 30 2004 03:37 PM
. * * Re: Spinning System S of Hati. grasshopper2   Thu Sep 30 2004 04:07 PM
. * * Re: Spinning System S of Hati. Keith234   Thu Sep 30 2004 07:39 PM
. * * 8PM Tropical Discussion/ Update danielwAdministrator   Thu Sep 30 2004 09:29 PM
. * * Re: 8PM Tropical Discussion/ Update recmod   Thu Sep 30 2004 11:38 PM
. * * Re: 8PM Tropical Discussion/ Update danielwAdministrator   Thu Sep 30 2004 11:49 PM
. * * Re: 8PM Tropical Discussion/ Update recmod   Fri Oct 01 2004 12:04 AM
. * * Re: 8PM Tropical Discussion/ Update danielwAdministrator   Fri Oct 01 2004 12:30 AM
. * * Re: 8PM Tropical Discussion/ Update Keith234   Fri Oct 01 2004 06:48 AM
. * * Re: 8PM Tropical Discussion/ Update cjzydeco   Fri Oct 01 2004 02:42 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Lisa? Staggy   Fri Oct 01 2004 03:09 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Lisa? LI Phil   Fri Oct 01 2004 03:17 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Lisa? Grasshopper2   Fri Oct 01 2004 03:47 PM
. * * Re: 6AM Tropical Update danielwAdministrator   Fri Oct 01 2004 07:08 AM
. * * Re: 6AM Tropical Update Terri   Fri Oct 01 2004 09:40 AM
. * * NY Times and Global Warming tpratch   Fri Oct 01 2004 10:43 AM
. * * JB LI Phil   Fri Oct 01 2004 10:27 AM
. * * Re: JB Terri   Sat Oct 02 2004 09:30 AM
. * * Re: 8PM Tropical Discussion/ Update GuppieGrouper   Thu Sep 30 2004 10:17 PM
. * * Re: Dr. Gray's Update Staggy   Thu Sep 30 2004 11:19 PM
. * * Re: Dr. Gray's Update gailwarning   Thu Sep 30 2004 11:33 PM
. * * Re: Dr. Gray's Update sthorne   Thu Sep 30 2004 11:30 PM
. * * Bonus Point Question LI Phil   Thu Sep 30 2004 08:01 PM
. * * Hombrew Development Keith234   Thu Sep 30 2004 03:44 PM
. * * 10N 53W Bloodstar   Thu Sep 30 2004 02:07 PM
. * * ? for Mets & long time trackers SkeetoBiteAdministrator   Thu Sep 30 2004 06:31 AM
. * * Re: ? for Mets & long time trackers ShanaTX   Thu Sep 30 2004 02:38 PM
. * * Re: ? for Mets & long time trackers GuppieGrouper   Thu Sep 30 2004 07:29 AM
. * * Re: ? for Mets & long time trackers Ronn   Thu Sep 30 2004 08:53 AM
. * * Re: ? for Mets & long time trackers tpratch   Thu Sep 30 2004 10:47 AM
. * * Re: ? for Mets & long time trackers VandyBrad   Thu Sep 30 2004 10:53 AM
. * * Re: ? for Mets & long time trackers Ronn   Thu Sep 30 2004 11:29 AM
. * * Re: ? for Mets & long time trackers Keith234   Thu Sep 30 2004 02:59 PM
. * * Re: ? for Mets & long time trackers tpratch   Thu Sep 30 2004 11:56 AM
. * * Re: ? for Mets & long time trackers danielwAdministrator   Thu Sep 30 2004 07:05 AM
. * * interesting post-storm analysis from PHL NWS MrSpock   Thu Sep 30 2004 07:17 AM
. * * Re: interesting post-storm analysis from PHL NWS BillD   Thu Sep 30 2004 09:02 AM
. * * Re: interesting post-storm analysis from PHL NWS MrSpock   Thu Sep 30 2004 11:52 AM
. * * Re: interesting post-storm analysis from PHL NWS Terri   Thu Sep 30 2004 11:18 AM
. * * Re: interesting post-storm analysis from PHL NWS Ed in Va   Thu Sep 30 2004 11:03 AM
. * * Re: interesting post-storm analysis from PHL NWS MrSpock   Thu Sep 30 2004 11:54 AM
. * * Thursday Morning LI Phil   Thu Sep 30 2004 10:58 AM
. * * Re: Thursday Morning tpratch   Thu Sep 30 2004 11:29 AM
. * * Re: ? for Mets & long time trackers VandyBrad   Thu Sep 30 2004 07:03 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne and Lisa now in the North Atlantic sthorne   Wed Sep 29 2004 11:14 PM
. * * Tropical Weather Discussion danielwAdministrator   Wed Sep 29 2004 09:59 PM
. * * Good news, from a board member MrSpock   Wed Sep 29 2004 11:13 PM
. * * Re: Good news, from a board member danielwAdministrator   Thu Sep 30 2004 05:36 AM

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