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Steve
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Re: Sunday Morning
      Sun Aug 14 2005 01:21 PM

>>This season and even last seson, JB has been off, waaay off on his hurricane forecasts.

I don't see how you can say that. He doesn't give "forecasts" on storms unless you read the columns (which I don't). He gives scenarios. But his forte is not in forecasting landfalls. He's better at seasonal analysis and pattern recognition. How anyone could come to the conclusion that he was waaay off in 2004 based on his Landfall Intensity Forecast is beyond me. His 2005 LIF forecast remains to be seen and verified. He's not bee great with some storm specific ideas, but he's also been better than the NHC on some (Cindy for instance and Franklin hanging out to dry for a while). He was off on Dennis, but only by about 150 miles from 6 days out. I think you're mischaracterizing his intentions and what he does.

>>To the point that I don't consider him a credible source of information anymore. Basicly it comes down to the fact that he seems to see EVERY storm that is moving West coming to Florida or New Orleans and it just isn't happening.

Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. I fell into the same trap with the NHC in 2002 and 2004. They weren't worth squat in 2002 (I know, I got rain from 7 different storms so I paid attention). Last year they over-relied on the GFS model and turned every wave to long tracked hurricane up at 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, etc. etc. etc.

>> appreciate and get much more accurate information from Clark and Ed and others on this site.

I enjoy those guys too, but they're not infailable as they'd both tell you. Hell, I've outguessed both of them a couple of times and I'm not even a doormat to the league they're in. /blind squirrel analogy

>>I guess it never hurts to read what JB has to say but in my opinion, he is wrong much more than he is right

This stuff gets bantered around the web, but how about some specifics rather than generalities. He's been wrong "how" more than he's right "how."

If you're going to use Joe Bastardi, you don't read a second-hand account of some Bastardi hater on an internet message board to form a conclusion. You have to learn how to use him. He offers clues as to what's going on in the bigger picture that can be interpreted down by the individual who wants to incorporate them into what they're seeing. He also is great for headsup on stuff most of us don't have time to research. He mentioned early this week that the NAO was about to swing strongly positive. I verified that by going to the NAO chart to see for myself. Sure enough, the 7-day lead has been outstanding this season and is calling for a strong positive anomaly in the North Atlantic. So if this verifies as Irene pulls out, the lower pressures will be in the SW Atlantic, Gulf and Caribbean. That's the kind of stuff you want to get from Joe B, not a landfall idea.

JMO

Steve

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* TD 10 is now upon us Storm Cooper Sun Aug 14 2005 01:21 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 is now upon us pedro   Sun Aug 14 2005 10:40 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 is now upon us MikeG   Sun Aug 14 2005 10:50 PM
. * * Final Advisory danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 14 2005 11:42 PM
. * * Re: Final Advisory Clark   Mon Aug 15 2005 01:53 AM
. * * Re: WAVE LONNY307   Mon Aug 15 2005 07:50 AM
. * * Bye Bye Irene Wxwatcher2   Mon Aug 15 2005 09:06 AM
. * * Re: Bye Bye Irene craigm   Mon Aug 15 2005 12:32 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye Irene Rabbit   Mon Aug 15 2005 01:03 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye Irene Ron Basso   Mon Aug 15 2005 01:56 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 NONAME   Mon Aug 15 2005 02:25 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Old Sailor   Mon Aug 15 2005 02:28 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 atwork   Mon Aug 15 2005 02:33 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Old Sailor   Mon Aug 15 2005 03:00 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 ralphfl   Mon Aug 15 2005 03:32 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Old Sailor   Mon Aug 15 2005 03:49 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 craigm   Mon Aug 15 2005 06:23 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Steve   Mon Aug 15 2005 04:27 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 damejune2   Mon Aug 15 2005 07:12 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Ron Basso   Mon Aug 15 2005 09:18 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Clark   Mon Aug 15 2005 09:47 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Ryan   Mon Aug 15 2005 11:20 PM
. * * the more things change, the more they stay the same HanKFranK   Mon Aug 15 2005 09:46 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Steve H1   Mon Aug 15 2005 07:43 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Ron Basso   Mon Aug 15 2005 09:40 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Brad in Miami   Mon Aug 15 2005 11:49 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 La Nimo   Mon Aug 15 2005 11:54 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 HanKFranK   Tue Aug 16 2005 01:04 AM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Storm Hunter   Tue Aug 16 2005 02:50 AM
. * * Ex TD10 making a comeback Cycloneye11   Tue Aug 16 2005 06:55 AM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback GuppieGrouper   Tue Aug 16 2005 07:30 AM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback MichaelA   Tue Aug 16 2005 07:48 AM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback Ron Basso   Tue Aug 16 2005 09:10 AM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback NewWatcher   Tue Aug 16 2005 09:18 AM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback ftlaudbob   Tue Aug 16 2005 09:55 AM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback ralphfl   Tue Aug 16 2005 10:44 AM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback(?) Bloodstar   Tue Aug 16 2005 11:18 AM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback Ryan   Tue Aug 16 2005 10:18 AM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback The Force 2005   Tue Aug 16 2005 10:06 AM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback Random Chaos   Tue Aug 16 2005 09:50 AM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback NewWatcher   Tue Aug 16 2005 10:21 AM
. * * A Learning Opportunity VolusiaMike   Tue Aug 16 2005 08:04 AM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 La Nimo   Mon Aug 15 2005 11:14 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 fatmike   Mon Aug 15 2005 08:41 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 tpratch   Mon Aug 15 2005 07:58 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Storm Cooper   Mon Aug 15 2005 08:17 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Steve   Mon Aug 15 2005 09:09 PM
. * * Down Time Ryan   Mon Aug 15 2005 02:46 PM
. * * Wave off of Africa NONAME   Mon Aug 15 2005 01:39 PM
. * * Re: Wave off of Africa Ryan   Mon Aug 15 2005 01:51 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye Irene Lee-Delray   Mon Aug 15 2005 01:33 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye Irene Ed in Va   Mon Aug 15 2005 11:21 AM
. * * Re: Bye Bye Irene NONAME   Mon Aug 15 2005 11:42 AM
. * * Re: Bye Bye Irene CDMOrlando   Mon Aug 15 2005 01:49 PM
. * * The Tropics Ryan   Mon Aug 15 2005 12:02 PM
. * * Re: The Tropics Figment   Mon Aug 15 2005 12:04 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 is now upon us MikeG   Sun Aug 14 2005 11:41 PM
. * * The Resurrection of TD10 TheElNino   Sun Aug 14 2005 07:26 PM
. * * Re: The Resurrection of TD10 CaneTrackerInSoFl   Sun Aug 14 2005 07:49 PM
. * * TD10 danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 14 2005 07:57 PM
. * * Re: TD10 Ron Basso   Sun Aug 14 2005 08:21 PM
. * * Re: TD10 La Nimo   Sun Aug 14 2005 08:29 PM
. * * Irene danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 14 2005 08:06 PM
. * * Re: Irene MikeG   Sun Aug 14 2005 09:23 PM
. * * Re: Irene Steve H1   Sun Aug 14 2005 09:54 PM
. * * Re: Irene 52255225   Sun Aug 14 2005 09:32 PM
. * * Re: Irene John03   Sun Aug 14 2005 09:37 PM
. * * Re: Irene CaneTrackerInSoFl   Sun Aug 14 2005 09:46 PM
. * * TD#10 Coming back for more? Ryan   Sun Aug 14 2005 09:29 PM
. * * Re: TD#10 Coming back for more? richisurfs   Sun Aug 14 2005 09:54 PM
. * * Re: TD#10 Coming back for more? BrianW   Sun Aug 14 2005 10:26 PM
. * * Re: TD#10 Coming back for more? MikeG   Sun Aug 14 2005 10:30 PM
. * * Re: TD#10 Coming back for more? John03   Sun Aug 14 2005 10:33 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 is now upon us LVG   Sat Aug 13 2005 10:41 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 is now upon us Beaumont, TX   Sat Aug 13 2005 09:12 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 is now upon us Clark   Sat Aug 13 2005 08:50 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 is now upon us NONAME   Sat Aug 13 2005 08:44 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 and NONAME danielwAdministrator   Sat Aug 13 2005 08:52 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 and NONAME pcola   Sat Aug 13 2005 08:57 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 and NONAME damejune2   Sat Aug 13 2005 09:13 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 and NONAME GuppieGrouper   Sat Aug 13 2005 09:12 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 and NONAME Beaumont, TX   Sat Aug 13 2005 09:13 PM
. * * Caribbean Waves danielwAdministrator   Sat Aug 13 2005 09:17 PM
. * * Re: Caribbean Waves Old Sailor   Sat Aug 13 2005 09:26 PM
. * * Re: Caribbean Waves ralphfl   Sat Aug 13 2005 10:52 PM
. * * Re: Caribbean Waves Ed DunhamAdministrator   Sat Aug 13 2005 11:08 PM
. * * Administrative Note Ed DunhamAdministrator   Sun Aug 14 2005 12:15 AM
. * * Re: Administrative Note damejune2   Sun Aug 14 2005 12:35 AM
. * * Re: Administrative Note Wxwatcher2   Sun Aug 14 2005 10:00 AM
. * * Re: Administrative Note Margie   Sun Aug 14 2005 11:00 AM
. * * Re: Administrative Note Lee-Delray   Sun Aug 14 2005 11:11 AM
. * * Re: Administrative Note GuppieGrouper   Sun Aug 14 2005 11:27 AM
. * * Re: Administrative Note Lee-Delray   Sun Aug 14 2005 11:39 AM
. * * Re: CHANGES lonny307   Sun Aug 14 2005 12:26 PM
. * * Sunday Morning MikeG   Sun Aug 14 2005 10:19 AM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning Clark   Sun Aug 14 2005 12:36 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning Steve H1   Sun Aug 14 2005 12:52 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning Steve   Sun Aug 14 2005 01:21 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning damejune2   Sun Aug 14 2005 04:54 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning Hurricane Fredrick 1979   Sun Aug 14 2005 06:09 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning Old Sailor   Sun Aug 14 2005 02:42 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning MikeG   Sun Aug 14 2005 02:58 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning Margie   Sun Aug 14 2005 02:50 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning Old Sailor   Sun Aug 14 2005 02:58 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning Margie   Sun Aug 14 2005 03:44 PM
. * * Re: Still a TS MikeG   Sun Aug 14 2005 04:37 PM
. * * Re: Still a TS Margie   Sun Aug 14 2005 06:10 PM
. * * Re: Still a TS JG   Sun Aug 14 2005 06:44 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning MikeG   Sun Aug 14 2005 03:13 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning Kevin   Sun Aug 14 2005 01:13 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning NONAME   Sun Aug 14 2005 10:23 AM
. * * Re: Administrative Note Gainesville, FL   Sun Aug 14 2005 01:32 AM
. * * Long Range Model Ed DunhamAdministrator   Sun Aug 14 2005 01:02 AM
. * * Re: Long Range Model Clark   Sun Aug 14 2005 01:40 AM
. * * Re: Long Range Model Margie   Sun Aug 14 2005 02:40 AM
. * * why people listen to Bastardi LoisCane   Sun Aug 14 2005 08:31 AM
. * * Re: why people listen to Bastardi MikeG   Sun Aug 14 2005 08:41 AM
. * * Re: Long Range Model Steve   Sun Aug 14 2005 02:20 AM
. * * Re: Long Range Model Tazmanian93   Sun Aug 14 2005 08:49 AM
. * * Circulation off SW Florida Ed DunhamAdministrator   Sun Aug 14 2005 09:12 AM
. * * Re: Circulation off SW Florida NONAME   Sun Aug 14 2005 09:31 AM
. * * Re: Caribbean Waves *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard* ralphfl   Sat Aug 13 2005 11:17 PM
. * * Re: Caribbean Waves stormchazer   Sat Aug 13 2005 11:45 PM
. * * Just love this sat loop Frank P   Sat Aug 13 2005 10:20 PM
. * * Re: Just love this sat loop Old Sailor   Sat Aug 13 2005 10:31 PM
. * * Re: Just love this sat loop damejune2   Sat Aug 13 2005 10:55 PM
. * * Re: Just love this sat loop John03   Sat Aug 13 2005 10:45 PM
. * * Re: Just love this sat loop ralphfl   Sat Aug 13 2005 10:43 PM
. * * Re: Just love this sat loop damejune2   Sat Aug 13 2005 10:47 PM
. * * Re:sat loop NONAME   Sat Aug 13 2005 10:41 PM
. * * Re: another record possible? MikeG   Sat Aug 13 2005 10:48 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 and NONAME La Nimo   Sat Aug 13 2005 09:08 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 is now upon us Storm Cooper   Sat Aug 13 2005 08:48 PM

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