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Re: Bye Bye TD 10
      Mon Aug 15 2005 09:47 PM

The upper-level features that propelled Irene to the north may not have been present a week ago, but they were 4 or so days ago. As model guidance changes and as the pattern changes, you've got to go with what the storm is doing, not what you originally predicted. The North Carolina landfall never happened because as the upper-low in the central Gulf moved northward, it shifted the bulk of the westerlies further northward, allowing a ridge to build in near and over Irene, keeping it moving slowly for some time. The ridge, however, was (and is) progressive, which isn't too big of a surprise given the westerly flow that did persist in the region and that the Rex block along 40W was far enough east to allow for the ridge to progress eastward (and now the block has completely broken down).

Three days ago, it became even more apparent that the channel for Irene to move through was coming, and lo and behold it did. Remember -- given weakened steering currents, the natural tendency of a storm is to drift towards the north and west. As a storm moves further north, the natural tendency is for it to recurve out to sea as it meets the westerly flow once and for all. Given this factor alone, once the steering currents collapsed with the storm so far away from the coast, the storm was basically destined to move out to sea.

It was a little surprising to see the steering flow evolve like it did early last week, when things looked more hairy for the SE United States. But, as I mentioned in my blog post from Saturday night, minor evolutions in the steering pattern can make a huge difference, as they did with Irene. To say that the way for it to head north wasn't present/visible isn't really correct; to say that it wasn't there about a week ago is more correct. That's why JB draws a lot of heat, fairly or unfairly -- he's stubborn. I'm stubborn at times too -- I haven't given up on TD 10 quite yet -- but you've gotta know when you swallow your pride and your forecast and revise things. That's why the NHC is usually conservative with their forecasts, in case things change, and why they generally do an excellent job (as borne out by the statistics).

That said, let's see what the next 5 days bring. TD 10's remnants are still around (just as a heads-up, I think Daniel's comments were designed to try to quelch the speculation that TD 10 still existed, when in fact it did not), the flareup in the western Caribbean bears watching (though is largely forced by an upper-low at this time), and the model guidance is in pretty good agreement on something substantial coming off of the coast of Africa in 4-5 days. While Irene may thankfully be heading out to sea, there's still plenty worth watching.

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* TD 10 is now upon us Storm Cooper Mon Aug 15 2005 09:47 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 is now upon us pedro   Sun Aug 14 2005 10:40 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 is now upon us MikeG   Sun Aug 14 2005 10:50 PM
. * * Final Advisory danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 14 2005 11:42 PM
. * * Re: Final Advisory Clark   Mon Aug 15 2005 01:53 AM
. * * Re: WAVE LONNY307   Mon Aug 15 2005 07:50 AM
. * * Bye Bye Irene Wxwatcher2   Mon Aug 15 2005 09:06 AM
. * * Re: Bye Bye Irene craigm   Mon Aug 15 2005 12:32 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye Irene Rabbit   Mon Aug 15 2005 01:03 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye Irene Ron Basso   Mon Aug 15 2005 01:56 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 NONAME   Mon Aug 15 2005 02:25 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Old Sailor   Mon Aug 15 2005 02:28 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 atwork   Mon Aug 15 2005 02:33 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Old Sailor   Mon Aug 15 2005 03:00 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 ralphfl   Mon Aug 15 2005 03:32 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Old Sailor   Mon Aug 15 2005 03:49 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 craigm   Mon Aug 15 2005 06:23 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Steve   Mon Aug 15 2005 04:27 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 damejune2   Mon Aug 15 2005 07:12 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Ron Basso   Mon Aug 15 2005 09:18 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Clark   Mon Aug 15 2005 09:47 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Ryan   Mon Aug 15 2005 11:20 PM
. * * the more things change, the more they stay the same HanKFranK   Mon Aug 15 2005 09:46 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Steve H1   Mon Aug 15 2005 07:43 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Ron Basso   Mon Aug 15 2005 09:40 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Brad in Miami   Mon Aug 15 2005 11:49 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 La Nimo   Mon Aug 15 2005 11:54 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 HanKFranK   Tue Aug 16 2005 01:04 AM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Storm Hunter   Tue Aug 16 2005 02:50 AM
. * * Ex TD10 making a comeback Cycloneye11   Tue Aug 16 2005 06:55 AM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback GuppieGrouper   Tue Aug 16 2005 07:30 AM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback MichaelA   Tue Aug 16 2005 07:48 AM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback Ron Basso   Tue Aug 16 2005 09:10 AM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback NewWatcher   Tue Aug 16 2005 09:18 AM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback ftlaudbob   Tue Aug 16 2005 09:55 AM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback ralphfl   Tue Aug 16 2005 10:44 AM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback(?) Bloodstar   Tue Aug 16 2005 11:18 AM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback Ryan   Tue Aug 16 2005 10:18 AM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback The Force 2005   Tue Aug 16 2005 10:06 AM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback Random Chaos   Tue Aug 16 2005 09:50 AM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback NewWatcher   Tue Aug 16 2005 10:21 AM
. * * A Learning Opportunity VolusiaMike   Tue Aug 16 2005 08:04 AM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 La Nimo   Mon Aug 15 2005 11:14 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 fatmike   Mon Aug 15 2005 08:41 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 tpratch   Mon Aug 15 2005 07:58 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Storm Cooper   Mon Aug 15 2005 08:17 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Steve   Mon Aug 15 2005 09:09 PM
. * * Down Time Ryan   Mon Aug 15 2005 02:46 PM
. * * Wave off of Africa NONAME   Mon Aug 15 2005 01:39 PM
. * * Re: Wave off of Africa Ryan   Mon Aug 15 2005 01:51 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye Irene Lee-Delray   Mon Aug 15 2005 01:33 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye Irene Ed in Va   Mon Aug 15 2005 11:21 AM
. * * Re: Bye Bye Irene NONAME   Mon Aug 15 2005 11:42 AM
. * * Re: Bye Bye Irene CDMOrlando   Mon Aug 15 2005 01:49 PM
. * * The Tropics Ryan   Mon Aug 15 2005 12:02 PM
. * * Re: The Tropics Figment   Mon Aug 15 2005 12:04 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 is now upon us MikeG   Sun Aug 14 2005 11:41 PM
. * * The Resurrection of TD10 TheElNino   Sun Aug 14 2005 07:26 PM
. * * Re: The Resurrection of TD10 CaneTrackerInSoFl   Sun Aug 14 2005 07:49 PM
. * * TD10 danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 14 2005 07:57 PM
. * * Re: TD10 Ron Basso   Sun Aug 14 2005 08:21 PM
. * * Re: TD10 La Nimo   Sun Aug 14 2005 08:29 PM
. * * Irene danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 14 2005 08:06 PM
. * * Re: Irene MikeG   Sun Aug 14 2005 09:23 PM
. * * Re: Irene Steve H1   Sun Aug 14 2005 09:54 PM
. * * Re: Irene 52255225   Sun Aug 14 2005 09:32 PM
. * * Re: Irene John03   Sun Aug 14 2005 09:37 PM
. * * Re: Irene CaneTrackerInSoFl   Sun Aug 14 2005 09:46 PM
. * * TD#10 Coming back for more? Ryan   Sun Aug 14 2005 09:29 PM
. * * Re: TD#10 Coming back for more? richisurfs   Sun Aug 14 2005 09:54 PM
. * * Re: TD#10 Coming back for more? BrianW   Sun Aug 14 2005 10:26 PM
. * * Re: TD#10 Coming back for more? MikeG   Sun Aug 14 2005 10:30 PM
. * * Re: TD#10 Coming back for more? John03   Sun Aug 14 2005 10:33 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 is now upon us LVG   Sat Aug 13 2005 10:41 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 is now upon us Beaumont, TX   Sat Aug 13 2005 09:12 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 is now upon us Clark   Sat Aug 13 2005 08:50 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 is now upon us NONAME   Sat Aug 13 2005 08:44 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 and NONAME danielwAdministrator   Sat Aug 13 2005 08:52 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 and NONAME pcola   Sat Aug 13 2005 08:57 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 and NONAME damejune2   Sat Aug 13 2005 09:13 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 and NONAME GuppieGrouper   Sat Aug 13 2005 09:12 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 and NONAME Beaumont, TX   Sat Aug 13 2005 09:13 PM
. * * Caribbean Waves danielwAdministrator   Sat Aug 13 2005 09:17 PM
. * * Re: Caribbean Waves Old Sailor   Sat Aug 13 2005 09:26 PM
. * * Re: Caribbean Waves ralphfl   Sat Aug 13 2005 10:52 PM
. * * Re: Caribbean Waves Ed DunhamAdministrator   Sat Aug 13 2005 11:08 PM
. * * Administrative Note Ed DunhamAdministrator   Sun Aug 14 2005 12:15 AM
. * * Re: Administrative Note damejune2   Sun Aug 14 2005 12:35 AM
. * * Re: Administrative Note Wxwatcher2   Sun Aug 14 2005 10:00 AM
. * * Re: Administrative Note Margie   Sun Aug 14 2005 11:00 AM
. * * Re: Administrative Note Lee-Delray   Sun Aug 14 2005 11:11 AM
. * * Re: Administrative Note GuppieGrouper   Sun Aug 14 2005 11:27 AM
. * * Re: Administrative Note Lee-Delray   Sun Aug 14 2005 11:39 AM
. * * Re: CHANGES lonny307   Sun Aug 14 2005 12:26 PM
. * * Sunday Morning MikeG   Sun Aug 14 2005 10:19 AM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning Clark   Sun Aug 14 2005 12:36 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning Steve H1   Sun Aug 14 2005 12:52 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning Steve   Sun Aug 14 2005 01:21 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning damejune2   Sun Aug 14 2005 04:54 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning Hurricane Fredrick 1979   Sun Aug 14 2005 06:09 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning Old Sailor   Sun Aug 14 2005 02:42 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning MikeG   Sun Aug 14 2005 02:58 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning Margie   Sun Aug 14 2005 02:50 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning Old Sailor   Sun Aug 14 2005 02:58 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning Margie   Sun Aug 14 2005 03:44 PM
. * * Re: Still a TS MikeG   Sun Aug 14 2005 04:37 PM
. * * Re: Still a TS Margie   Sun Aug 14 2005 06:10 PM
. * * Re: Still a TS JG   Sun Aug 14 2005 06:44 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning MikeG   Sun Aug 14 2005 03:13 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning Kevin   Sun Aug 14 2005 01:13 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning NONAME   Sun Aug 14 2005 10:23 AM
. * * Re: Administrative Note Gainesville, FL   Sun Aug 14 2005 01:32 AM
. * * Long Range Model Ed DunhamAdministrator   Sun Aug 14 2005 01:02 AM
. * * Re: Long Range Model Clark   Sun Aug 14 2005 01:40 AM
. * * Re: Long Range Model Margie   Sun Aug 14 2005 02:40 AM
. * * why people listen to Bastardi LoisCane   Sun Aug 14 2005 08:31 AM
. * * Re: why people listen to Bastardi MikeG   Sun Aug 14 2005 08:41 AM
. * * Re: Long Range Model Steve   Sun Aug 14 2005 02:20 AM
. * * Re: Long Range Model Tazmanian93   Sun Aug 14 2005 08:49 AM
. * * Circulation off SW Florida Ed DunhamAdministrator   Sun Aug 14 2005 09:12 AM
. * * Re: Circulation off SW Florida NONAME   Sun Aug 14 2005 09:31 AM
. * * Re: Caribbean Waves *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard* ralphfl   Sat Aug 13 2005 11:17 PM
. * * Re: Caribbean Waves stormchazer   Sat Aug 13 2005 11:45 PM
. * * Just love this sat loop Frank P   Sat Aug 13 2005 10:20 PM
. * * Re: Just love this sat loop Old Sailor   Sat Aug 13 2005 10:31 PM
. * * Re: Just love this sat loop damejune2   Sat Aug 13 2005 10:55 PM
. * * Re: Just love this sat loop John03   Sat Aug 13 2005 10:45 PM
. * * Re: Just love this sat loop ralphfl   Sat Aug 13 2005 10:43 PM
. * * Re: Just love this sat loop damejune2   Sat Aug 13 2005 10:47 PM
. * * Re:sat loop NONAME   Sat Aug 13 2005 10:41 PM
. * * Re: another record possible? MikeG   Sat Aug 13 2005 10:48 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 and NONAME La Nimo   Sat Aug 13 2005 09:08 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 is now upon us Storm Cooper   Sat Aug 13 2005 08:48 PM

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