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Margie Senior Storm Chaser Reged: Fri Posts: 1191 Loc: Twin Cities Categorizing Katrina       Wed Aug 31 2005 08:46 AM Edit   Reply   Quote   Quick Reply   I think this storm will be the impetus for recategorizing storms. Katrina was so large that it didn't matter that she weakened to a Cat 4 before landing. I think the sheer size may have helped increase the height of the storm surge beyond what was anticipated. I keep hearing reports that say, "This is where the eye of Katrina landed." I don't think half those newscasters even understand that she was so large that the eye actually landed...everywhere. It is hard to go from our set mental image of the size of the eye and its effects that we've seen from all the previous hurricanes in our lifetimes, and then look at this one. It just can't be seen in the same way. The eyewall upon landing curved all along the entire east shoreline of LA from south of NO up to Slidell, and around to the entire MS coastline right up to the Biloxi/Gulfport area. All those areas were hit at once as the large eye neatly slid into a position that happened to approxmiate 60 miles of coastline. But because of the strong NE quad, the effects on the the 40 mi of coastline to the east of Biloxi, approximately up to Mobile Bay area, also suffered the same catastrophic events and a storm surge nearly as high as the coast that was hit by the eye. Ocean Springs, just to the right of the NE eyewall, suffered damage as extreme as Biloxi. The second effect relating to the size of Katrina is that she went the entire 15 rounds and then some. Because of her large size, even going at a good clip she produced significant winds over a more than 24-hour period. For those on the coast, the storm went on and on and on. And I think that the intensity of damage needs to be related to the duration of the storm as well as the highest wind speed. Once the hurricane force winds came ashore in Pascagoula, it wasn't long before roofs came off of buildings, including the Jackson Co EOC; maybe about a half hour. But those winds didn't abate. They increased, and stayed over 90mph for I believe 4-5 more hours. That has to become a factor in damage categorization. All Cat 4 storms produce devastating damage, but this one produced it on a larger scale simply because of its size. -------------------- Katrina's Surge: http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/Katrinas_surge_contents.asp Edited by Margie (Wed Aug 31 2005 08:48 AM) Post Extras

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Rick on boat in Mobile   Wed Aug 31 2005 10:08 AM Re: oil rigs may be everywhere... HanKFranK   Wed Aug 31 2005 10:19 AM Re: oil rigs may be everywhere... Jeffmidtown   Wed Aug 31 2005 10:18 AM words are inadequate to describe Katrina Rick on boat in Mobile   Wed Aug 31 2005 09:16 AM Re: words are inadequate to describe Katrina JMII   Wed Aug 31 2005 01:30 PM Re: words are inadequate to describe Katrina StormKrone   Wed Aug 31 2005 10:31 AM Re: words are inadequate to describe Katrina NewWatcher   Wed Aug 31 2005 10:33 AM Re: words are inadequate to describe Katrina Margie   Wed Aug 31 2005 10:25 AM Re: words are inadequate to describe Katrina charlottefl   Wed Aug 31 2005 10:37 AM Re: words are inadequate to describe Katrina LI Phil   Wed Aug 31 2005 09:23 AM Re: words are inadequate to describe Katrina twizted sizter   Wed Aug 31 2005 09:39 AM Re: words are inadequate to describe Katrina ohioaninmiss   Wed Aug 31 2005 09:38 AM Re: words are inadequate to describe Katrina emackl   Wed Aug 31 2005 09:22 AM Re: words are inadequate to describe Katrina tpratch   Wed Aug 31 2005 09:22 AM Re: Categorizing Katrina Margie   Wed Aug 31 2005 09:15 AM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Margie   Wed Aug 31 2005 08:30 AM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Floridacane   Wed Aug 31 2005 08:45 AM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues WiscoWx   Wed Aug 31 2005 12:08 AM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues twizted sizter   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:08 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Colleen A.   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:23 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues WhitherWeather   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:29 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Disaster Master   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:15 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues twizted sizter   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:18 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues StormHound   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:25 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Disaster Master   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:21 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues twizted sizter   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:24 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Disaster Master   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:29 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues bobbutts   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:47 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues StormHound   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:14 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues twizted sizter   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:22 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Disaster Master   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:23 PM margie phone call LI Phil   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:25 PM Military Mobilizing Anton Ross   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:48 PM Probably not global warming? WiscoWx   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:58 PM MIT's study Anton Ross   Wed Aug 31 2005 12:21 AM Re: MIT's study WiscoWx   Wed Aug 31 2005 12:56 AM Re: MIT's study Beaumont, TX   Wed Aug 31 2005 10:50 AM Presidential Visit? rmbjoe1954   Wed Aug 31 2005 11:08 AM Re: MIT's study firestar_1   Wed Aug 31 2005 10:58 AM Re: MIT's study Ed Dunham   Wed Aug 31 2005 11:07 AM Re: MIT's study The Force 2005   Wed Aug 31 2005 11:05 AM Re: MIT's study The Force 2005   Wed Aug 31 2005 11:04 AM Re: MIT's study firestar_1   Wed Aug 31 2005 11:10 AM Re: MIT's study Lake Toho - Kissimmee   Wed Aug 31 2005 01:02 AM TIME OUT! LI Phil   Wed Aug 31 2005 01:10 AM Administrative Note Ed Dunham   Wed Aug 31 2005 01:19 AM Re: Administrative Note Storm Hunter   Wed Aug 31 2005 01:30 AM Re: Administrative Note Terra   Wed Aug 31 2005 02:14 AM Re: Administrative Note Margie   Wed Aug 31 2005 08:16 AM Re: Administrative Note orlandocanewatcher   Wed Aug 31 2005 03:00 AM Re: Administrative Note collegemom   Wed Aug 31 2005 07:59 AM Re: Administrative Note AndyG   Wed Aug 31 2005 08:03 AM Re: Administrative Note Random Chaos   Wed Aug 31 2005 08:10 AM Re: Administrative Note emackl   Wed Aug 31 2005 08:09 AM Economic impacts MissBecky   Wed Aug 31 2005 07:21 AM Re: Economic impacts Margie   Wed Aug 31 2005 08:23 AM Re: Economic impacts GuppieGrouper   Wed Aug 31 2005 07:56 AM Re: Economic impacts bucagator   Wed Aug 31 2005 08:17 AM Re: Economic impacts emackl   Wed Aug 31 2005 07:52 AM Power in S. Miss. Clark   Wed Aug 31 2005 01:19 AM Re: TIME OUT! nate77   Wed Aug 31 2005 01:18 AM Back to incoming WX Anton Ross   Wed Aug 31 2005 01:06 AM Re: MIT's study age234   Wed Aug 31 2005 12:25 AM Re: MIT's study Anton Ross   Wed Aug 31 2005 12:35 AM CDC Anton Ross   Wed Aug 31 2005 12:45 AM Re: CDC Lake Toho - Kissimmee   Wed Aug 31 2005 12:51 AM South Carolina Whackos Anton Ross   Wed Aug 31 2005 12:50 AM Re: South Carolina Whackos Catmando   Wed Aug 31 2005 01:01 AM Re: South Carolina Whackos age234   Wed Aug 31 2005 12:55 AM Re: South Carolina Whackos Lake Toho - Kissimmee   Wed Aug 31 2005 12:54 AM msnbc LI Phil   Wed Aug 31 2005 12:02 AM Re: msnbc Disaster Master   Wed Aug 31 2005 12:07 AM Re: Military Mobilizing evergladesangler   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:53 PM Re: margie phone call twizted sizter   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:29 PM Re: margie phone call StormHound   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:28 PM Re: margie phone call Disaster Master   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:34 PM Re: margie phone call StormHound   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:40 PM Danny & Other Stuff Colleen A.   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:57 PM Re: margie phone call Chesapeake Phil   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:47 PM Re: margie phone call StormHound   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:56 PM Re: margie phone call BTfromAZ   Wed Aug 31 2005 12:08 AM Re: margie phone call BTfromAZ   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:56 PM Re: margie phone call bobbutts   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:52 PM Re: margie phone call Chesapeake Phil   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:57 PM Re: margie phone call Disaster Master   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:43 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues damejune2   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:12 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues evergladesangler   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:02 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues G. J.   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:05 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues StormHound   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:57 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Heather   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:56 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Disaster Master   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:56 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues StormHound   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:59 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Random Chaos   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:00 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues StormHound   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:05 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Disaster Master   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:51 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Disaster Master   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:49 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Disaster Master   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:48 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Heather   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:07 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Margie   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:17 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues bobbutts   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:51 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues bobbutts   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:03 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Margie   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:12 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Disaster Master   Tue Aug 30 2005 09:59 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Sheeper   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:12 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues LI Phil   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:16 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Margie   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:29 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Colleen A.   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:53 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues WhitherWeather   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:43 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Disaster Master   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:39 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Disaster Master   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:41 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues routerheads   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:35 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues WhitherWeather   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:07 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues rule   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:21 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues mojorox   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:37 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues errorcone   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:28 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Justin in Miami   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:13 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Katie   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:15 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues WhitherWeather   Tue Aug 30 2005 11:38 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues twizted sizter   Tue Aug 30 2005 09:27 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Disaster Master   Tue Aug 30 2005 09:30 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Disaster Master   Tue Aug 30 2005 09:26 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Clark   Tue Aug 30 2005 09:29 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Disaster Master   Tue Aug 30 2005 09:31 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Clark   Tue Aug 30 2005 09:37 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Disaster Master   Tue Aug 30 2005 09:39 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Catawba   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:19 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Disaster Master   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:31 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Catawba   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:41 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues Disaster Master   Tue Aug 30 2005 10:37 PM Re: Katrina Aftermath Continues G. 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