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Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast
      Wed Sep 07 2005 12:41 AM

About a NE Florida landfall: history is against it, but a number of other storms have made landfall there. A tropical depression a few years back was the most recent storm to do so. It's certainly not unprecedented.

With regards to the colder air: air temperatures over the southeast US and over the open waters (e.g. the Gulf Stream) are pretty warm, averaging in the mid-upper 80s. Tropical cyclones by definition have a warm-core, where temperatures in the center of the storm are warmer than those found outside of the storm; this is the case for TD 16, with warmer temperatures found by recon in the center of the storm than outside of it (about 1-2 deg C; the greater the differential, the stronger the storm...usually). I won't go into the discussion of how this occurs right now; maybe during the off-season in a series of mini-featurettes I've got planned.

Midlatitude systems -- those associated with cold fronts -- are generally cold-core by nature (though warm-core extratropical cyclones do exist). Their growth mechanisms differ from hurricanes -- again, a long topic for another day after the season -- but one of the things associated with these systems and one of the potential causes for storms to either develop in an extratropical fashion or undergo extratropical transition is a temperature gradient. With a cold air infusion from the midlatitudes, you set up a strong temperature gradient (either at the surface or aloft) between the environment of the tropical cyclone and the midlatitude environment, with some of this latter environment potentially encroaching upon the storm. It would not lead to tropical development; instead, it would either lead to the storm weakening or beginning to undergo extratropical transition (at least to the point of taking on more of a hybrid structure).

This changes what you can expect in terms of the wind field and precipitation distributions with the storm as the wind field expands outward and the precipitation distribution taking on more of an asymmetric (almost frontal-like) nature. Were this storm to undergo such an evolution, most of the weather may remain offshore given the preferential nature for this to occur on the east side of the storm; it is certainly not a given that this will occur, however. It's a tough forecast for this storm from all angles -- the spread in the models has that classic "squashed spider" movement that the NHC loves to split down the middle and take slowly, often with good results -- and everyone along the northern Gulf coast to the Carolinas needs to watch this one, just in case.

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* Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast MikeCAdministrator Wed Sep 07 2005 12:41 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast zacros   Wed Sep 07 2005 06:31 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast crpeavley   Tue Sep 06 2005 08:01 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast Jekyhe904   Tue Sep 06 2005 06:00 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast Rasvar   Tue Sep 06 2005 09:19 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast weatherwatcher2   Tue Sep 06 2005 09:41 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast Rasvar   Tue Sep 06 2005 09:53 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast Beaumont, TX   Tue Sep 06 2005 09:55 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast Colleen A.   Tue Sep 06 2005 09:40 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast GuppieGrouper   Tue Sep 06 2005 09:29 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast Random Chaos   Tue Sep 06 2005 09:47 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast weatherwatcher2   Tue Sep 06 2005 09:58 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast Random Chaos   Tue Sep 06 2005 10:19 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast Clark   Tue Sep 06 2005 10:49 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast Random Chaos   Tue Sep 06 2005 11:38 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast Catawba   Tue Sep 06 2005 11:14 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast Clark   Wed Sep 07 2005 12:41 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast Beaumont, TX   Wed Sep 07 2005 09:05 AM
. * * Quick hit thoughts Clark   Wed Sep 07 2005 01:44 AM
. * * Re: Quick hit thoughts Storm Hunter   Wed Sep 07 2005 02:18 AM
. * * Re: Quick hit thoughts Storm Hunter   Wed Sep 07 2005 02:20 AM
. * * Re: Quick hit thoughts Storm Hunter   Wed Sep 07 2005 02:34 AM
. * * Re: Quick hit thoughts Random Chaos   Wed Sep 07 2005 06:31 AM
. * * Re: Quick hit thoughts Hugh   Wed Sep 07 2005 06:46 AM
. * * Re: Quick hit thoughts emackl   Wed Sep 07 2005 07:46 AM
. * * Re: Quick hit thoughts tpratch   Wed Sep 07 2005 07:52 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast scottsvb   Wed Sep 07 2005 01:26 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast Storm Hunter   Wed Sep 07 2005 01:43 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast Storm Hunter   Tue Sep 06 2005 10:29 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast Storm Hunter   Tue Sep 06 2005 10:33 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast dolfinatic   Tue Sep 06 2005 11:17 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast Lake Toho - Kissimmee   Tue Sep 06 2005 11:50 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast Colleen A.   Wed Sep 07 2005 12:05 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast Storm Hunter   Tue Sep 06 2005 10:07 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast Hugh   Tue Sep 06 2005 10:31 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast Clark   Tue Sep 06 2005 09:56 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast disneyfanfl   Tue Sep 06 2005 06:28 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast MikeCAdministrator   Tue Sep 06 2005 08:26 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast tpratch   Tue Sep 06 2005 06:31 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast Hootowl   Tue Sep 06 2005 06:40 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast Beaumont, TX   Tue Sep 06 2005 11:43 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast tpratch   Tue Sep 06 2005 11:49 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast Beaumont, TX   Tue Sep 06 2005 12:00 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast Rich B   Tue Sep 06 2005 12:13 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast native   Tue Sep 06 2005 12:47 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast The Force 2005   Tue Sep 06 2005 12:42 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast trinibaje   Tue Sep 06 2005 12:52 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast Brad in Miami   Tue Sep 06 2005 01:22 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast The Force 2005   Wed Sep 07 2005 09:22 AM
. * * ophelia.... HanKFranK   Tue Sep 06 2005 01:43 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast NewWatcher   Tue Sep 06 2005 01:29 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Warnings Up Titusville to Jupiter Tropical Depression 16 Forms Off Florida Coast Hootowl   Tue Sep 06 2005 01:44 PM
. * * Re: TD16 Ron Basso   Tue Sep 06 2005 02:56 PM
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. * * Observations in bahamas as of 8:00pm Robert   Mon Sep 05 2005 08:49 PM
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. * * Re: Observations in bahamas as of 8:00pm danielwAdministrator   Mon Sep 05 2005 09:56 PM
. * * Re: Observations in bahamas as of 8:00pm Ricreig   Tue Sep 06 2005 08:51 AM
. * * Re: Observations in bahamas as of 8:00pm Clark   Tue Sep 06 2005 12:56 AM
. * * setting the pace HanKFranK   Mon Sep 05 2005 05:38 PM
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. * * upgrade? HanKFranK   Mon Sep 05 2005 11:01 PM
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. * * busy busy busy Ryan   Mon Sep 05 2005 07:53 PM
. * * Re: busy busy busy tpratch   Mon Sep 05 2005 08:44 PM
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. * * Re: busy busy busy GuppieGrouper   Tue Sep 06 2005 08:09 AM
. * * Indications Ed DunhamAdministrator   Tue Sep 06 2005 09:36 AM
. * * here goes HanKFranK   Tue Sep 06 2005 09:50 AM
. * * The loop twizted sizter   Tue Sep 06 2005 10:02 AM
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. * * Re: The loop Clark   Tue Sep 06 2005 11:36 AM
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. * * Re: The loop GuppieGrouper   Tue Sep 06 2005 11:46 AM
. * * Re: The loop Steve H1   Tue Sep 06 2005 11:56 AM
. * * Re: The loop Hootowl   Tue Sep 06 2005 12:09 PM
. * * Re: The loop MikeCAdministrator   Tue Sep 06 2005 11:28 AM
. * * Re: The loop Wingman51   Tue Sep 06 2005 11:01 AM
. * * Re: The loop Ed in Va   Tue Sep 06 2005 10:53 AM
. * * Re: busy busy busy Colleen A.   Tue Sep 06 2005 09:13 AM
. * * Re: busy busy busy Steve H1   Tue Sep 06 2005 09:22 AM
. * * TD 16 FORMS! recmod   Tue Sep 06 2005 09:23 AM
. * * Re: TD 16 FORMS! emackl   Tue Sep 06 2005 09:27 AM
. * * Re: TD 16 FORMS! Ron Basso   Tue Sep 06 2005 10:54 AM
. * * Re: TD 16 FORMS! Steve H1   Tue Sep 06 2005 09:32 AM
. * * Re: TD 16 FORMS! emackl   Tue Sep 06 2005 09:35 AM
. * * Re: busy busy busy Random Chaos   Tue Sep 06 2005 08:27 AM
. * * Wave Off FL Coast cjzydeco   Mon Sep 05 2005 05:34 PM

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