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Genesis Weather Guru Reged: Wed Posts: 125 Re: NHC       Fri Sep 23 2005 10:09 AM Edit   Reply   Quote   Quick Reply   This is likely off-topic far enough to get moved or poofed - go ahead mods if it is.... Reports on that bus were that the people on board had portable oxygen tanks with them that were in use. There is a WIDE misunderstanding of the dangers of these systems. They are in use by tens if not hundreds of thousands of patients daily, most suffering from emphasema (smoking related in most cases) and some other maladies. Many people say that the oxygen tanks "caught fire". That's not true - oxygen doesn't burn. But it does greatly accelerate combustion, and things that would not normally burn WILL in the presence of pure - or nearly so - oxygen supplies. A person with a live oxygen feed going from one of those portable tanks is a severe fire hazard. Any source of ignition on or near their person can cause a fire that will spread with lightning speed. An enriched oxygen atmosphere, as would exist in a bus full of people who are all using these kits, would turn a minor smoldering wire event (no big deal) into a conflageration in seconds. I see people banging these units around in South Florida all the time with no regard at all to the potential risks involved. I don't know if its because they haven't been told, or if they just don't care. As a diver who mixes up oxygen into his scuba gas, I take EXTREME care when working with pure O2 because of the potential fire hazard -and the impossibility of putting out any fire that DOES start in the presence of pure O2 unless I can shut off the flow of gas - difficult or impossible when the supply tank is engulfed in flames. Transporting ONE OR TWO people on supplemental oxygen in a bus with good ventilation is probably not a big deal - unless one of the systems gets banged around and starts leaking at an accelerated rate. However, over many hours if ventilation is sub-standard, or if the bus is full of people on these systems, there is definitely an enhanced risk of trouble. This is a tragic situation but as with many there is an issue of planning (or lack thereof!) and lack of appreciation of the risks involved if the early reports - that the bus was full of folks on supplemental O2 systems - are accurate. Post Extras

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Genesis   Fri Sep 23 2005 11:59 AM Re: direction? pcola   Fri Sep 23 2005 12:07 PM Re: direction? pryord1   Fri Sep 23 2005 12:05 PM Re: direction? *DELETED* ralphfl   Fri Sep 23 2005 11:56 AM Re: direction? rmcinorlando   Fri Sep 23 2005 12:10 PM Re: direction? bucagator   Fri Sep 23 2005 01:00 PM Re: direction? *DELETED* ralphfl   Fri Sep 23 2005 12:19 PM Re: direction? rmcinorlando   Fri Sep 23 2005 12:26 PM Re: direction? Psyber   Fri Sep 23 2005 12:40 PM Re: levees carolt   Fri Sep 23 2005 12:52 PM Re: direction? The Force 2005   Fri Sep 23 2005 12:48 PM Re: direction? Terra   Fri Sep 23 2005 12:55 PM Re: direction? doug   Fri Sep 23 2005 01:17 PM Re: direction? Hootowl   Fri Sep 23 2005 01:05 PM Re: direction? pryord1   Fri Sep 23 2005 01:02 PM Re: direction? pryord1   Fri Sep 23 2005 01:01 PM Re: direction? The Force 2005   Fri Sep 23 2005 01:06 PM Re: direction? typhoon_tip   Fri Sep 23 2005 01:31 PM Re: developing system doug   Fri Sep 23 2005 01:42 PM Re: developing system Cash   Fri Sep 23 2005 01:52 PM Re: developing system zmdz01   Fri Sep 23 2005 02:18 PM Re: developing system HURRICANELONNY   Fri Sep 23 2005 02:58 PM Re: developing system HURRICANELONNY   Fri Sep 23 2005 03:02 PM Re: developing system pryord1   Fri Sep 23 2005 02:29 PM Re: developing system typhoon_tip   Fri Sep 23 2005 02:26 PM Re: developing system Lake Toho - Kissimmee   Fri Sep 23 2005 02:05 PM Re: developing system bobbutts   Fri Sep 23 2005 02:30 PM Unusual Outlook? Marianne   Fri Sep 23 2005 02:45 PM Re: Unusual Outlook? Margie   Fri Sep 23 2005 02:57 PM Re: Unusual Outlook? Marianne   Fri Sep 23 2005 04:11 PM Re: Unusual Outlook? Thunderbird12   Fri Sep 23 2005 04:24 PM Re: Unusual Outlook? funky   Fri Sep 23 2005 04:37 PM Buoy 42001 zmdz01   Fri Sep 23 2005 02:52 PM Re: Buoy 42001 Psyber   Fri Sep 23 2005 04:50 PM Rita's Intensity recmod   Fri Sep 23 2005 04:59 PM Re: Rita's Intensity zacros   Fri Sep 23 2005 05:06 PM Re: Rita's Intensity Thunderbird12   Fri Sep 23 2005 05:21 PM Re: Rita's Intensity Thunderbird12   Fri Sep 23 2005 05:49 PM 18z GFS and NAM.... teal61   Fri Sep 23 2005 06:13 PM Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... Thunderbird12   Fri Sep 23 2005 06:45 PM Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... Thunderbird12   Fri Sep 23 2005 07:04 PM Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... teal61   Fri Sep 23 2005 07:09 PM Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... Thunderbird12   Fri Sep 23 2005 07:24 PM Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... Thunderbird12   Fri Sep 23 2005 07:47 PM Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... Thunderbird12   Fri Sep 23 2005 07:49 PM Hypothetical Landfall Location danielw   Fri Sep 23 2005 08:06 PM Administrative Reminders Ed Dunham   Fri Sep 23 2005 08:59 PM Max Mayfield tashina   Fri Sep 23 2005 09:12 PM Rita Postion Update danielw   Fri Sep 23 2005 10:21 PM Re: Hypothetical Landfall Location oil trader   Fri Sep 23 2005 08:31 PM Re: Hypothetical Landfall Location danielw   Fri Sep 23 2005 08:46 PM Re: Hypothetical Landfall Location nate77   Fri Sep 23 2005 08:36 PM Re: Hypothetical Landfall Location jmk818   Fri Sep 23 2005 08:42 PM Re: Hypothetical Landfall Location danielw   Fri Sep 23 2005 09:12 PM Re: Hypothetical Landfall Location jmk818   Fri Sep 23 2005 11:34 PM Re: Hypothetical Landfall Location Allison   Fri Sep 23 2005 09:00 PM Re: Hypothetical Landfall Location... - gueswork Jonathan Franklin   Fri Sep 23 2005 09:04 PM Re: Hypothetical Landfall Location... - gueswork jlauderdal   Fri Sep 23 2005 09:25 PM Re: Hypothetical Landfall Location lunkerhunter   Fri Sep 23 2005 08:51 PM BALETED tpratch   Fri Sep 23 2005 08:46 PM Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... Thunderbird12   Fri Sep 23 2005 07:57 PM Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... Random Chaos   Fri Sep 23 2005 08:00 PM Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... Thunderbird12   Fri Sep 23 2005 08:07 PM Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... Dougyd   Fri Sep 23 2005 07:19 PM Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... MikeC   Fri Sep 23 2005 07:12 PM Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... oil trader   Fri Sep 23 2005 07:18 PM Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... UKCloudgazer   Fri Sep 23 2005 07:44 PM Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... BabyCat   Fri Sep 23 2005 07:22 PM Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... collegemom   Fri Sep 23 2005 07:37 PM Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... nl   Fri Sep 23 2005 07:30 PM Re: 18z GFS and NAM.... danielw   Fri Sep 23 2005 07:39 PM Specail Advisory cjzydeco   Fri Sep 23 2005 06:49 PM pressure readings BabyCat   Fri Sep 23 2005 07:06 PM Re: Rita's Intensity GuppieGrouper   Fri Sep 23 2005 06:08 PM Re: Rita's Intensity pcola   Fri Sep 23 2005 05:33 PM Latest Recon zmdz01   Fri Sep 23 2005 05:19 PM Re: developing system tpratch   Fri Sep 23 2005 02:13 PM Re: direction? tpratch   Fri Sep 23 2005 12:52 PM Re: direction? pryord1   Fri Sep 23 2005 12:32 PM Re: direction? rmcinorlando   Fri Sep 23 2005 12:39 PM Re: direction? BabyCat   Fri Sep 23 2005 12:43 PM Re: direction? SirCane   Fri Sep 23 2005 12:35 PM Re: direction? *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard* ralphfl   Fri Sep 23 2005 12:31 PM Re: direction? *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard* rwjaco19   Fri Sep 23 2005 12:36 PM Re: direction? tpratch   Fri Sep 23 2005 12:35 PM Re: direction? Sportsfreak1989s   Fri Sep 23 2005 12:52 PM Re: direction? MadDog   Fri Sep 23 2005 12:43 PM Re: direction? *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard* ralphfl   Fri Sep 23 2005 12:46 PM Re: direction? rmcinorlando   Fri Sep 23 2005 12:53 PM Re: direction? ralphfl   Fri Sep 23 2005 12:51 PM Re: direction? typhoon_tip   Fri Sep 23 2005 12:45 PM Re: direction? Allison   Fri Sep 23 2005 01:19 PM Re: direction? jth   Fri Sep 23 2005 12:21 PM Re: direction? jth   Fri Sep 23 2005 12:17 PM Re: direction? typhoon_tip   Fri Sep 23 2005 12:08 PM Re: direction? The Force 2005   Fri Sep 23 2005 11:31 AM Re: direction? funky   Fri Sep 23 2005 11:33 AM Re: direction? The Force 2005   Fri Sep 23 2005 11:17 AM Re: Funky.... pryord1   Fri Sep 23 2005 11:08 AM Re: Hurricane Rita Approaches Texas pryord1   Fri Sep 23 2005 10:21 AM Re: Hurricane Rita Approaches Texas Wxwatcher2   Fri Sep 23 2005 08:44 AM Re: Hurricane Rita Approaches Texas Rasvar   Fri Sep 23 2005 09:24 AM 5 large oil refineries Rick on boat in Mobile   Fri Sep 23 2005 08:51 AM Re: 5 large oil refineries Rick on boat in Mobile   Fri Sep 23 2005 08:55 AM Re: Hurricane Rita Approaches Texas nate77   Fri Sep 23 2005 08:39 AM Re: Hurricane Rita Approaches Texas Lee-Delray   Fri Sep 23 2005 08:40 AM Re: Hurricane Rita Approaches Texas Ormond Suzie   Fri Sep 23 2005 08:36 AM Re: Hurricane Rita Approaches Texas clyde w.   Fri Sep 23 2005 10:14 AM Re: Hurricane Rita Approaches Texas The Force 2005   Fri Sep 23 2005 10:21 AM Re: Hurricane Rita Approaches Texas clyde w.   Fri Sep 23 2005 10:33 AM Re: Hurricane Rita Approaches Texas MadDog   Fri Sep 23 2005 08:40 AM

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