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Re: Tropic Watch
      Thu Sep 29 2005 01:58 PM

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if the Carribean system will go it will have to come together around 17n and 82w...that seems to be where a mid level circulation is for sure and possibly a llc too.




System NW Caribbean: What's interesting in watching this area of disturbed weather over the last couple of days is that it keeps generating these llv vorticity maxims that summarily decay. I've seen 3 so far do this, where/when a tightly clustered region of cold cloud tops amid the greater area of convection decay, and in their wake there is a "tendency" in visible imagery for llv cloud rotation. These that I have witnessed have been on the order of a mere 50 nautical miles in diameter (est) and do not persist for too long before decaying them selves.... At which point, there is already another cluster of intense convection developing in a separate area, and the cycle seems to repeat. It really does appear that this region of the W and NW Caribbean is creating weak tropical lows as a response to convection "not quite" persisting in the same location long enough to make use of the time-dependency and corriolis forcing with air that is moving inward toward the upward moving air of these thunderstorm clusters. Moreover, if you look at the cirrus blow-off from Yucatan thunderstorms you note that they are moving E or ESE pretty clearly...This tells me that there is shear in the environment.. Not sure but do suspect this is partly why any given thunderstorm cluster isn't persisting, because the mechanics in the U/A are not quite right for difluent motion at this time... As HPC is pointing out however, these U/A conditions are expected to be more favorable sooner rather than later so it may just take off like all at once, once these U/A winds come around to a better anticyclonic impression.

We'll, see..

System S of Louisiana and near the mouth of the Mississippi: Frankly and surprisingly it appears like it has a better llv vis sat presentation than 99L. The upper U/A is a bit hostile however. What is interesting to me is that if this feature can persist beneath the mean steering field it would like avail of better U/A later on... Interesting prospect when you consider that we are likely better than 50% that a system will finally wrap up near 99L and the proximity of the two systems are close. If the system in the Gulf never does get deeper in the troposphere that is, it would likely just be asorbed in the circulation field of 99L.

System of the SE US Coast: That event (if occurs) is interesting... At first glance of the global based model I'm inclined to think it is primarily driven to existence by numerical instability of have a strong anticyclone moving off the NE US Coast, which in turn imparts a long fetch of modifying continental polar air over the still very warm Atlantic waters. This enhances baroclinicity in that region as a natural conclusion. Essentially, this configuration of having a trough developing in the Nations heart land, balanced against a anticyclone near 60W/45N (appr loc) teleconnects nicely to a weakness along the SE US Coast, and combined with said temperature gradients N/S in the west Atlantic Basic is actually quite often a precurser forecasters look for prior to Nor'easter/coastal cyclogenesis in the winter... Therefore, it is difficult to be totally certain that whatever forms there (if anything) wouldn't be more of a hybrid type subtropical low... In either event, there should certainly be an inverted trough in that location. Should the apparent developing gyre near 58W/21N assume a true warm core and attending structure, that would confuse this, because it is likely in my mind that an inverted trough/subtropical low could form off the SE US Coast without this feature currently moving WSW through said lat/lon. You could actually end up with an inverted trough that has a true tropical system approaching its lower axis from the ESE.

Definitely lots to consider!

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* TD 20 Forms in the Caribbean, TD 19 Out at Sea MikeCAdministrator Thu Sep 29 2005 01:58 PM
. * * Re: TD 19 Forms in the Eastern Atlantic weatherwatcher999   Fri Sep 30 2005 09:56 PM
. * * development-impaired HanKFranK   Sat Oct 01 2005 12:00 AM
. * * Re: development-impaired teal61   Sat Oct 01 2005 03:11 AM
. * * Re: development-impaired ParrishNStPeteFL   Sat Oct 01 2005 09:02 AM
. * * Re: development-impaired TDW   Sat Oct 01 2005 09:21 AM
. * * Re: development-impaired ParrishNStPeteFL   Sat Oct 01 2005 09:36 AM
. * * Re: development-impaired Margie   Sat Oct 01 2005 10:02 AM
. * * Re: development-impaired GuppieGrouper   Sat Oct 01 2005 10:29 AM
. * * Re: development-impaired Margie   Sat Oct 01 2005 10:45 AM
. * * Re: development-impaired Thunderbird12   Sat Oct 01 2005 11:08 AM
. * * Re: development-impaired Margie   Sat Oct 01 2005 11:31 AM
. * * Re: development-impaired typhoon_tip   Sat Oct 01 2005 11:49 AM
. * * Re: development-impaired Margie   Sat Oct 01 2005 11:57 AM
. * * Re: development-impaired HanKFranK   Sat Oct 01 2005 12:45 PM
. * * Re: development-impaired Steve H1   Sat Oct 01 2005 02:45 PM
. * * Re: development-impaired GuppieGrouper   Sat Oct 01 2005 06:12 PM
. * * Re: development-impaired Margie   Sat Oct 01 2005 07:52 PM
. * * Re: development-impaired Steve H1   Sat Oct 01 2005 08:15 PM
. * * Re: development-impaired weatherwatcher999   Sat Oct 01 2005 10:12 PM
. * * Re: development-impaired tpratch   Sat Oct 01 2005 10:24 PM
. * * Re: development-impaired Storm Hunter   Sat Oct 01 2005 10:41 PM
. * * Re: development-impaired HanKFranK   Sun Oct 02 2005 12:26 AM
. * * Re: development-impaired Storm Hunter   Sun Oct 02 2005 01:24 AM
. * * Re: development-impaired Storm Hunter   Sun Oct 02 2005 01:33 AM
. * * Re: development-impaired Storm Hunter   Sun Oct 02 2005 02:26 AM
. * * Re: development-impaired Storm Hunter   Sun Oct 02 2005 02:34 AM
. * * Re: development-impaired Storm Hunter   Sun Oct 02 2005 02:50 AM
. * * Re: development-impaired Storm Hunter   Sun Oct 02 2005 02:59 AM
. * * Re: development-impaired danielwAdministrator   Sun Oct 02 2005 02:42 AM
. * * Re: development-impaired Rubén   Sun Oct 02 2005 03:02 AM
. * * Re: development-impaired Rubén   Sun Oct 02 2005 03:30 AM
. * * Stan 19 and the models Bloodstar   Sun Oct 02 2005 04:35 AM
. * * Re: Stan 19 and the models Rich B   Sun Oct 02 2005 05:30 AM
. * * Re: development-impaired Steve H1   Sat Oct 01 2005 07:12 PM
. * * Re: development-impaired GuppieGrouper   Sat Oct 01 2005 07:42 PM
. * * Re: development-impaired Margie   Sat Oct 01 2005 01:51 PM
. * * Re: development-impaired typhoon_tip   Sat Oct 01 2005 01:21 PM
. * * Re: development-impaired typhoon_tip   Sat Oct 01 2005 01:26 PM
. * * Re: development-impaired typhoon_tip   Sat Oct 01 2005 12:38 PM
. * * TD 20 Jamiewx   Sat Oct 01 2005 10:36 AM
. * * Re: development-impaired GuppieGrouper   Sat Oct 01 2005 09:17 AM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch doug   Thu Sep 29 2005 10:11 AM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch sara33   Thu Sep 29 2005 12:03 PM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch doug   Thu Sep 29 2005 12:53 PM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch Wingman51   Thu Sep 29 2005 12:59 PM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch Hootowl   Thu Sep 29 2005 01:56 PM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch doug   Thu Sep 29 2005 12:44 PM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch Steve H1   Thu Sep 29 2005 12:56 PM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch doug   Thu Sep 29 2005 01:04 PM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch typhoon_tip   Thu Sep 29 2005 01:58 PM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch SMOKE   Fri Sep 30 2005 08:11 AM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch HanKFranK   Thu Sep 29 2005 01:47 PM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch Clark   Thu Sep 29 2005 01:39 PM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch Margie   Thu Sep 29 2005 04:16 PM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch Tazmanian93   Fri Sep 30 2005 12:15 AM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch HanKFranK   Fri Sep 30 2005 01:41 AM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch Beaumont, TX   Fri Sep 30 2005 09:11 AM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch stevie   Fri Sep 30 2005 10:02 AM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch Thunderbird12   Fri Sep 30 2005 10:08 AM
. * * 90/99 HanKFranK   Fri Sep 30 2005 10:33 AM
. * * Re: 90/99 Margie   Fri Sep 30 2005 12:12 PM
. * * Re: 90/99 Thunderbird12   Fri Sep 30 2005 12:25 PM
. * * Re: 90/99 Big Kahuna   Fri Sep 30 2005 12:39 PM
. * * Re: 90/99 MapMaster   Fri Sep 30 2005 01:34 PM
. * * So many Features.... so little time! Bloodstar   Fri Sep 30 2005 02:06 PM
. * * Re: So many Features.... so little time! Clark   Fri Sep 30 2005 02:34 PM
. * * TD 19 Thunderbird12   Fri Sep 30 2005 04:19 PM
. * * Re: TD 19 Ed in Va   Fri Sep 30 2005 04:26 PM
. * * Re: TD 19 Thunderbird12   Fri Sep 30 2005 04:28 PM
. * * Re: TD 19 Susan in Jupiter, FL   Fri Sep 30 2005 08:05 PM
. * * Re: TD 19 andy1tom   Fri Sep 30 2005 08:40 PM
. * * Re: Just for fun MapMaster   Fri Sep 30 2005 05:04 PM
. * * Re: Just for fun Clark   Fri Sep 30 2005 05:11 PM
. * * Re: Just for fun Margie   Fri Sep 30 2005 05:46 PM
. * * Re: Just for fun GuppieGrouper   Fri Sep 30 2005 07:00 PM
. * * Re: TD 19 NONAME   Fri Sep 30 2005 04:32 PM
. * * Re: 20N-60W Ron Basso   Fri Sep 30 2005 04:03 PM
. * * Re: 20N-60W NONAME   Fri Sep 30 2005 04:17 PM
. * * Re: 90/99 scottsvb   Fri Sep 30 2005 02:00 PM
. * * Re: 90/99 typhoon_tip   Fri Sep 30 2005 11:45 AM
. * * Re: 90/99 *DELETED* Margie   Fri Sep 30 2005 12:00 PM
. * * Re: 90/99 typhoon_tip   Fri Sep 30 2005 12:03 PM
. * * latest TWO Thunderbird12   Fri Sep 30 2005 11:38 AM
. * * Re: latest TWO Thunderbird12   Fri Sep 30 2005 11:48 AM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch damejune2   Thu Sep 29 2005 11:21 PM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch HURRICANELONNY   Fri Sep 30 2005 07:46 AM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch Tazmanian93   Fri Sep 30 2005 12:08 AM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch doug   Thu Sep 29 2005 02:48 PM
. * * NOT YET !!! Wingman51   Thu Sep 29 2005 04:09 PM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch sara33   Thu Sep 29 2005 12:51 PM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch Rabbit   Thu Sep 29 2005 12:10 PM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch SirCane   Thu Sep 29 2005 10:31 AM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch Thunderbird12   Thu Sep 29 2005 11:01 AM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch Thunderbird12   Thu Sep 29 2005 11:35 AM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch Margie   Thu Sep 29 2005 11:00 AM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch Fletch   Thu Sep 29 2005 09:15 AM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch Wingman51   Thu Sep 29 2005 09:36 AM
. * * Re: Tropic Watch Thunderbird12   Thu Sep 29 2005 09:50 AM

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