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Re: wilma on the way
      Sat Oct 15 2005 08:48 PM

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If this storm does come at Florida, what would cause it to weaken before hitting the state? Did you mean weaken after it makes landfall which further means that we may be facing a cat 3 or higher? Please speculate about the intensity you think it might be. Here i was thinking we were pretty much done with this season and the way you guys are talking we may be getting a katrina or rita type storm on the central west coast of florida.

The water temp is barely 84 degrees around here and not much better a little south...not sure what it is in the Caribbean though. I also thought with the cold fronts pushing their way into the Gulf and Fla that that would push any storms more easterly and away from the state. I don't know...not an expert. This is why i am asking you all.




I cannot speak for HankFrank (and wouldn't quite frankly) but I can tell you that there are 3 conceivable reasons and forth that is more conceptual why "Wilma" may be weakened prior to a direct Florida strike.
a) Interaction with Cuba... I had a discussion with a person on here earlier where we were in a dissagreement about the amount Cuba can adversely affect hurricanes. The fact of the matter is, climatology suggest only "some" reduction in strength would be incurred should Wilma stray across.. The western aspect of the landmass has very low elevation - or not sufficiently tall enough to impede the large circumvellate of Wilma. Nevertheless, "any" interaction with Cuba would certainly punch a category 5 storm in the belly because at the envelope of intensity such as that, they ironically become prone to weakening at least excuse to do so.
b) Cooler water... Rita and Katrina have processed the Gulf loop-current and Gulf waters in general considerably. Should Wilma cross from those warm tuck waters that are between Cuba and the Cayman Islands, she will likely get a big, big shot of octane... But then, the waters on the N side of the Islands drops by as much as 4.5C by the time you get to the latitude of the Florida Keys... You simply cannot maintain even a category 4 storm under such conditions, considering that the U/A is also not cold enough to compensate for less potential instability (cold upper atmosphere relative to sst can sometimes offset for ssts of only 79F, a.k.a, Vince).
c) Shear... If Wilma goes ahead and evolves into a category 4/5 system and then starts interacting with veering steering field, those winds initially will be a hostile impactor. If she's moving smartly N before those winds are excited by the approaching s/w from the Nation's Heartland, then it is conceivable that she would not really be as adversely affected by them; moving along with the wind field means relative to the flow she is thus encountering limited shear vs. fighting those wind vectors off..

...The forth and conceptual notion was touched on, and that is that Category 5 intensity is seldom held for too long because it takes nearly perfect parametrics to maintain such intensities. Losing any one is bad. It seems that she will have a window to reach GFDL intensity, but then that window closes once the influence of said s/w NW begins to assert and influence over the Gulf as a whole.

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* Tropical Depression 24 Forms in Western Caribbean MikeCAdministrator Sat Oct 15 2005 08:48 PM
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. * * confusing Hurricane Heat Potential maps lunkerhunter   Sun Oct 16 2005 10:28 PM
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. * * Re: confusing Hurricane Heat Potential maps lunkerhunter   Sun Oct 16 2005 11:27 PM
. * * Re: confusing Hurricane Heat Potential maps typhoon_tip   Sun Oct 16 2005 11:35 PM
. * * Re: confusing Hurricane Heat Potential maps typhoon_tip   Sun Oct 16 2005 11:30 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression 24 Forms in Western Caribbean Beaumont, TX   Sun Oct 16 2005 08:25 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression 24 Forms in Western Caribbean dave foster   Sun Oct 16 2005 08:49 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression 24 Forms in Western Caribbean tornado00   Sun Oct 16 2005 08:38 AM
. * * Re: Watching Near Jamaica Random Chaos   Sat Oct 15 2005 09:19 AM
. * * Re: Watching Near Jamaica Hugh   Sat Oct 15 2005 09:03 AM
. * * Re: Watching Near Jamaica Ed DunhamAdministrator   Sat Oct 15 2005 09:16 AM
. * * Re: Watching Near Jamaica Ron Basso   Sat Oct 15 2005 10:12 AM
. * * Re: Watching Near Jamaica Margie   Sat Oct 15 2005 10:53 AM
. * * Re: Watching Near Jamaica GuppieGrouper   Sat Oct 15 2005 10:40 AM
. * * Re: Watching Near Jamaica Thunderbird12   Sat Oct 15 2005 10:51 AM
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. * * Re: Watching Near Jamaica bobbutts   Sat Oct 15 2005 01:07 PM
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. * * Re: Watching Near Jamaica Storm Hunter   Sat Oct 15 2005 04:59 PM
. * * Re: Watching Near Jamaica Clark   Sat Oct 15 2005 05:26 PM
. * * thanks clark and others LoisCane   Sat Oct 15 2005 08:20 PM
. * * Re: Watching Near Jamaica Storm Hunter   Sat Oct 15 2005 05:35 PM
. * * wilma on the way HanKFranK   Sat Oct 15 2005 06:35 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way GuppieGrouper   Sat Oct 15 2005 08:54 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way Random Chaos   Sat Oct 15 2005 09:09 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way typhoon_tip   Sat Oct 15 2005 09:18 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way Clark   Sun Oct 16 2005 12:28 AM
. * * Re: wilma on the way typhoon_tip   Sun Oct 16 2005 12:37 AM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way Clark   Sun Oct 16 2005 11:17 AM
. * * Re: wilma on the way typhoon_tip   Sun Oct 16 2005 12:33 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way scottsvb   Sun Oct 16 2005 12:39 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way k___g   Sun Oct 16 2005 12:45 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way weatherwatcher999   Sun Oct 16 2005 12:15 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way MissBecky   Sun Oct 16 2005 12:50 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way bobbutts   Sun Oct 16 2005 01:14 PM
. * * how far west she goes makes a big difference LoisCane   Sun Oct 16 2005 01:16 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way Old Sailor   Sun Oct 16 2005 01:01 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way GuppieGrouper   Sun Oct 16 2005 01:20 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way Storm Hunter   Sun Oct 16 2005 01:48 PM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way Margie   Sun Oct 16 2005 02:40 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way damejune2   Sun Oct 16 2005 02:49 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way Hootowl   Sun Oct 16 2005 02:59 PM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way weatherwatcher2   Sun Oct 16 2005 09:07 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way weatherwatcher2   Sun Oct 16 2005 09:10 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way Lee-Delray   Sun Oct 16 2005 09:16 PM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way dave foster   Sun Oct 16 2005 10:48 PM
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. * * Models and TD24 danielwAdministrator   Sun Oct 16 2005 09:46 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way weatherwatcher2   Sun Oct 16 2005 09:39 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way sara33   Sun Oct 16 2005 09:47 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard* SirCane   Sun Oct 16 2005 09:54 PM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way Lee-Delray   Sun Oct 16 2005 07:16 PM
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. * * Models Ed DunhamAdministrator   Sun Oct 16 2005 08:58 PM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way Lee-Delray   Sun Oct 16 2005 07:49 PM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way MichaelA   Sun Oct 16 2005 07:39 PM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way Storm Hunter   Sun Oct 16 2005 10:43 AM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way HanKFranK   Sun Oct 16 2005 01:20 AM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way Random Chaos   Sun Oct 16 2005 12:03 AM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way CaneTrackerInSoFl   Sat Oct 15 2005 10:22 PM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way danielwAdministrator   Sat Oct 15 2005 10:31 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way sara33   Sat Oct 15 2005 11:38 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way debwire   Sun Oct 16 2005 12:06 AM
. * * Re: wilma on the way Margie   Sun Oct 16 2005 12:05 AM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way weatherwatcher2   Sat Oct 15 2005 11:14 PM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way weatherwatcher2   Sat Oct 15 2005 11:34 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way GuppieGrouper   Sat Oct 15 2005 09:50 PM
. * * Looking back on models from earlier this week Rasvar   Sat Oct 15 2005 09:57 PM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way Storm Hunter   Sat Oct 15 2005 06:43 PM
. * * Re: Watching Near Jamaica Storm Hunter   Sat Oct 15 2005 04:53 PM
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