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Re: wilma on the way
      Sun Oct 16 2005 09:32 PM

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how accurate have they been? So whats all; the hype with the extreme right hook?




BAMx and LBARx are fairly simple models (compared to some of the more recent dynamic models) and they tend to be less accurate - especially the further out you go.

The various BAMx models look at different layers in the atmosphere for steering information, which is why they often come up with VERY different tracks. The problem with relying on them is that a storm isn't steered by the same layers of the atmosphere at different points in its life, and at different strengths .....

Its too early to know what's going to happen with this one, but the synoptic pattern at this time of the year tends to support recurvature as storms come northward, and it also tends to support a general northward motion over time. The reason is that as fall progresses troughs tend to make it further down in latitude, and they tend to be stronger - in the summer they almost never make it all the way to the gulf - in the fall they often do.

First, we have to see this thing gets its act together. I'm in the camp that says it probably will, but I'm still on the fence in terms of what I think about an ultimate track. Note that the NHC's "track" is basically just up the middle of a big BLOB - its not until they (and everyone else) are able to come up with a better handle on what they think is going to occur in the atmosphere that will steer what this turns into, and the ultimate strength that this thing has at that time, that a better prognostication of where its going to go can be made.

IMHO anyone from the Keys to roughly NO needs to be paying attention to this thing right now - that's obviously a HUGE swath of real estate, but looking in on this system at least daily right now would not be a bad idea. In the next 3-4 days a significant part of that area can probably be eliminated from consideration - but right now that would not be prudent.

My best guess right now is that IF it develops as expected the most likely path is east of north from the Yucatan channel - that is based on the synoptics and climatology. Looking at the current upper-air pattern there is no solid support for anything more specific than that which I can find - but I don't do this for a living, I'm a hobbyist......

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* Tropical Depression 24 Forms in Western Caribbean MikeCAdministrator Sun Oct 16 2005 09:32 PM
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. * * Re: confusing Hurricane Heat Potential maps typhoon_tip   Sun Oct 16 2005 11:35 PM
. * * Re: confusing Hurricane Heat Potential maps typhoon_tip   Sun Oct 16 2005 11:30 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression 24 Forms in Western Caribbean Beaumont, TX   Sun Oct 16 2005 08:25 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression 24 Forms in Western Caribbean dave foster   Sun Oct 16 2005 08:49 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression 24 Forms in Western Caribbean tornado00   Sun Oct 16 2005 08:38 AM
. * * Re: Watching Near Jamaica Random Chaos   Sat Oct 15 2005 09:19 AM
. * * Re: Watching Near Jamaica Hugh   Sat Oct 15 2005 09:03 AM
. * * Re: Watching Near Jamaica Ed DunhamAdministrator   Sat Oct 15 2005 09:16 AM
. * * Re: Watching Near Jamaica Ron Basso   Sat Oct 15 2005 10:12 AM
. * * Re: Watching Near Jamaica Margie   Sat Oct 15 2005 10:53 AM
. * * Re: Watching Near Jamaica GuppieGrouper   Sat Oct 15 2005 10:40 AM
. * * Re: Watching Near Jamaica Thunderbird12   Sat Oct 15 2005 10:51 AM
. * * Re: Watching Near Jamaica HanKFranK   Sat Oct 15 2005 11:02 AM
. * * Re: Watching Near Jamaica bobbutts   Sat Oct 15 2005 01:07 PM
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. * * thanks clark and others LoisCane   Sat Oct 15 2005 08:20 PM
. * * Re: Watching Near Jamaica Storm Hunter   Sat Oct 15 2005 05:35 PM
. * * wilma on the way HanKFranK   Sat Oct 15 2005 06:35 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way GuppieGrouper   Sat Oct 15 2005 08:54 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way Random Chaos   Sat Oct 15 2005 09:09 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way typhoon_tip   Sat Oct 15 2005 09:18 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way Clark   Sun Oct 16 2005 12:28 AM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way typhoon_tip   Sun Oct 16 2005 12:33 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way scottsvb   Sun Oct 16 2005 12:39 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way k___g   Sun Oct 16 2005 12:45 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way weatherwatcher999   Sun Oct 16 2005 12:15 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way MissBecky   Sun Oct 16 2005 12:50 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way bobbutts   Sun Oct 16 2005 01:14 PM
. * * how far west she goes makes a big difference LoisCane   Sun Oct 16 2005 01:16 PM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way GuppieGrouper   Sun Oct 16 2005 01:20 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way Storm Hunter   Sun Oct 16 2005 01:48 PM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way Margie   Sun Oct 16 2005 02:40 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way damejune2   Sun Oct 16 2005 02:49 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way Hootowl   Sun Oct 16 2005 02:59 PM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way weatherwatcher2   Sun Oct 16 2005 09:07 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way weatherwatcher2   Sun Oct 16 2005 09:10 PM
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. * * Models and TD24 danielwAdministrator   Sun Oct 16 2005 09:46 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way weatherwatcher2   Sun Oct 16 2005 09:39 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way sara33   Sun Oct 16 2005 09:47 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard* SirCane   Sun Oct 16 2005 09:54 PM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way Lee-Delray   Sun Oct 16 2005 07:16 PM
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. * * Models Ed DunhamAdministrator   Sun Oct 16 2005 08:58 PM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way Lee-Delray   Sun Oct 16 2005 07:49 PM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way MichaelA   Sun Oct 16 2005 07:39 PM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way HanKFranK   Sun Oct 16 2005 01:20 AM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way Random Chaos   Sun Oct 16 2005 12:03 AM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way Margie   Sun Oct 16 2005 12:09 AM
. * * Re: wilma on the way damejune2   Sat Oct 15 2005 09:32 PM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way CaneTrackerInSoFl   Sat Oct 15 2005 10:22 PM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way danielwAdministrator   Sat Oct 15 2005 10:31 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way sara33   Sat Oct 15 2005 11:38 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way debwire   Sun Oct 16 2005 12:06 AM
. * * Re: wilma on the way Margie   Sun Oct 16 2005 12:05 AM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way CaneTrackerInSoFl   Sat Oct 15 2005 10:50 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way weatherwatcher2   Sat Oct 15 2005 11:14 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way CaneTrackerInSoFl   Sat Oct 15 2005 11:29 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way weatherwatcher2   Sat Oct 15 2005 11:34 PM
. * * Re: wilma on the way GuppieGrouper   Sat Oct 15 2005 09:50 PM
. * * Looking back on models from earlier this week Rasvar   Sat Oct 15 2005 09:57 PM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way typhoon_tip   Sat Oct 15 2005 08:48 PM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way Beaumont, TX   Sat Oct 15 2005 08:13 PM
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. * * Re: wilma on the way Storm Hunter   Sat Oct 15 2005 06:43 PM
. * * Re: Watching Near Jamaica Storm Hunter   Sat Oct 15 2005 04:53 PM
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. * * Re: Watching Near Jamaica dave foster   Sat Oct 15 2005 11:03 AM
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